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Electrical Nightmare

Postby thecatII » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:17 pm



I have a 1996 aspencade , the problem i'm having is that when I turn the key I get nothing!
I have checked the main fuse, relay box , and that little sum-gun behind the dog-bone link. strange thing is that when i do turn the key, I get power at all relays. So i'm thinking it can't be in the key module itself.

What is going on I CAN'T RIDE!...................may as well be dead! Someone please help me. By the way does anyone know the number to the suicide hotline!!!! :lol:


Thanks in advance
Felix Beaufort, SC



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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:12 pm

I think it's 1-900-6456-432345324.

Before you call,get your meter/test probe and turn on the key.Go down the fuses and see if there is any volts anywhere,like the accessory terminal.MAKE NOTES.

Just because a relay "clicks" dosen't mean that it works.The relays of the same style can be substituted for another.I'd first sub the "main"relay #6,I think.

Let us know what you find.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby thecatII » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Well....I tried every fuse on the bike and still nothing ,But i do get a reading on my multi/meter when i turn the key. Baffling this is!!! even trid the jump across the relay behind the dog-bone with the fuse in it. One side registers as hot but can't get anything out of it when I jump the terminals. This is probably something so simple I can't see it......Well at least I hope so.


Thanks for your help virgilmobile



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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:03 pm

"I tried every fuse on the bike and still nothing ."

I assume that there as no volts on any of the fuses with the key on...right ??

On the fuse block,are there 2 terminals that are marked " ACC " ? if yes,turn on the key and check for 12 volts there.The terminals get the 12 volts from the ignition switch and a 5 amp fuse.I think it's #1.

Your horn,turn,and headlight fuses should be hot all the time.there all 15 amp.they get the electric from the main 55 amp fuse and leads off the fuse block on a white wire.Start there.Probe the wire.The mechanical connection on the fuse may be bad.

Can you identify which relay clicks?Maybe pull one at a time to find it.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby thecatII » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:46 pm

Yes I do have power to the acc terminal and fuses,but still no lights on the instrument panel , headlights or anything else.........That's what's killing me. I don't understand this problem very strange!! :cry:


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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:36 pm

I'll search the schematic with this new info.Back in a few.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:23 pm

Everything I look at tells me that the tail/main relay is not working.It's on the upper right side of the relay cluster.Swap it with the one next to it.Verify it's location as i'm using a 1994 schematic.
It feeds power to just about everything,including the headlight relays and neutral lamp.
This schematic may help....

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby bellboy40 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:11 pm

Hi Felix, have you tried what virgilmobile said yet? I think he is correct. Either the fuse #8 or the #3 tail/main relay is probably bad. As he has already said, that relay feeds a lot of different things on the 1500.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby Irish Wolf » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:34 pm

I am new to the world of Goldwings and don't have any experience testing/checking electrical components, so I searched the forums for a subject closely related to the difficulties I am having, and this is it...hopefully!

I have a 98 GL1500 that I bought about a week ago. I have ridden it 3 times around the neighborhood while I wait for the tags to come in even though I have the 10-day trip permit. The last time I rode it, I had some trouble starting it because its cold out, but let it warm up and went to the gas station a mile away, put a 1/2 tank of mid-grade into it. It cranked right up and I rode home. I parked the bike, put it in neutral, put down the side stand to lean it over and the motor cut off.

I tried to restart the bike, and the cranks slowed down drastically and quickly until it was just clicking. I put the battery on a charger and tried to start it again after a couple hours and still got only clicking. I removed the side cover where the battery is and when I tried to start the bike, found that the clicking is coming from a 30Amp circular relay just in front of the battery. So, does this mean that the relay went bad and it will start once that is replaced, or do I need to get it to a mechanic to have them test the relays and fuses? Please help!
newbie!

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:29 pm

By your description,I'd first remove the battery and have it load tested at a shop.I'll bet it's dead.
Read through this post.Even tho it's a 1200.the battery problem may be the same.viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9966

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby Irish Wolf » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:36 pm

Thanks for the suggestion. The previous owner bypassed the motorcycle battery when it went bad and installed a car battery in the trunk, which has started the bike just fine when I went to test ride it and the 3 times I have ridden it since. I will pull the battery and get it checked though. I am planning on restoring the original system with a maintenance free battery when I get the money for that.

I also recently replaced the battery on my 6-volt Honda, and bought a 6/12 volt charger, but after 2 days of charging, it will not crank the bike faster than a slow dirge. Any ideas?

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:38 pm

After the battery issue is resolved on the 1500,verify it is being charged OK as your alternator may have failed.Thus the reason for the add on car battery.the original battery may still be OK..
Your second issue,3possibilities.battery is bad,have it load tested also.second,the starter needs cleaned,lubes and rebuilt.third,a bad load in the engine.Push start it if you can to eliminate the motor.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby Irish Wolf » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:09 pm

I believe the guy said the one that owned it before him put on a high-output alternator because he had LEDs all over the bike, but I'll pull both batteries in the morning and have them tested...for the other bike, the local Honda dealer/service center says they are not sure if they can test a 6-volt battery! I will try to push start it as soon as I am able to see if I can get fire that way. Thanks!

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:09 pm

Take all 3 batteries to Advance Auto,Napa.the load test equipment will test 6 volt and 12 volt.Extra LED lighting draws so little current that it's not a reason to upgrade the alternator.I would test the charging system after you get it running again just to be sure.Don't assume because the PO replaced it that the new one actually works.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:32 pm

Oh,and one last thing.If the PO just left the old bike battery in the bike and just attached a car battery with some wires to it,the dead bike battery could constantly discharge the car battery.Get it outfitted with just one good battery and verify with a volts test at least that the alternator is working.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby Irish Wolf » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:28 pm

Thanks for the info! It appears that only one side of the old battery was still connected. The positive lead was bound into a hot mess of red wires on a block next to the battery. I'm just removed both and am about to run into town to get those and the 6-volt tested.
Crossing my fingers!

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby Irish Wolf » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:09 pm

I got both batteries out of the Goldwing tested. The standard battery did not register on the testers, the screen kept saying to connect the battery, so they said its too dead to register that its connected. The secondary car battery that was put in tested as dead! Also, the 6-volt battery showed a 52% charge...it was on a 6-volt/12-volt automatic charger for 3 days after I got it, and the Honda dealer said it should have had an 80% charge then.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:32 pm

OK ,you found all the batteries are bad.Now what.
Get a new one for the wing.Trickle charge it for 2days before putting it in the bike.Absolutely test the alternator.I have a sneaky suspicion it's not charging.A car battery in the trunk would last a couple of runs,without charging.
Check the fluid level in the 6 volt battery.If it's not returnable,you could trickle charge it for 2 weeks, it MIGHT help.

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby thrasherg » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:38 pm

Obviously it's your call, but a car battery is very heavy and having it mounted up high is going to effect the bikes handling quite noticeably. The stock battery (In good condition) is just fine for starting a Goldwing and as long as the charging system is working you shouldn't need much else (Unless you hang lots of extra lights on the bike). I would strongly recommend, fitting a new standard battery (In the standard location), remove the extra wiring for the car battery, check and service the charging system and then ride the bike..

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Re: Electrical Nightmare

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:11 pm

That's right , make it like OEM and it will run like OEM




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