AMSOIL use in GL 1800?


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AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby shadontt » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:42 pm



Anyone with a GL1800 using Amsoil? Any problems to be aware of? Any improvements noticed? I'm thinking of switching to it; I have 13K miles on my 2008 model. That's not a lot of miles grant you but I still want to make sure it lasts a good long time; any improvement in mileage or quiteness, etc, would be great.



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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby 2008retiredplb » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:04 am

shadontt wrote:Anyone with a GL1800 using Amsoil? Any problems to be aware of? Any improvements noticed? I'm thinking of switching to it; I have 13K miles on my 2008 model. That's not a lot of miles grant you but I still want to make sure it lasts a good long time; any improvement in mileage or quiteness, etc, would be great.


shadontt,
I am a firm believer of full synthetic oils. But I have posts on this board concerning my use of AmsOil 10W-40 full synthetic motorcycle oil (the AmsOil recommended oil) in my 2009 GL1800.
I and a couple of others, have been using that oil for 5 or 6 years in GL1800's from 2001 to 2009. With a total of over 100,000 mile combined and no trouble until last year. Thats when my 2009 started to have some trouble with the starter turning but not engaging the engine. After much investigation with other GL1800 owners, both here and on other boards, I found a only few that have had the same problem while using AmsOil.
Took the bike to my local Honda dealer and they requested the Honda Rep to look into pulling the engine to replace or repair the starter. Honda said they will not approve repairs because of the oil I was using. I found that on the 2009 the oil recommendation changed from 10W-40 to 10W-30. I was told to change the oil to Honda GN4 non-synthetic 10W-30 oil and when I did , the starter problem quit. I am running that oil for a couple thousand miles and than will try AmsOil 10W-30 to see if the problem comes back. In checking prices of the Honda oil, I found the Honda non-synthetic oil to be almost as expensive as the AmsOil and Honda Full-synthetic to be almost one and a half times more expensive than AmsOil. I buy my oils in gallon jug size. If the AmsOil 10W-30 oil does cause the starter problem to return I will be looking for another brand of oil to try. I don't plan on paying what Honda asks for their oil since I know they do not produce it, they have it made for them by another company.
The bike does shift smoother and is quieter with AmsOil over Honda oil.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby themainviking » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:14 am

I am one of the others, also with a 2009, who have starter problems with Amsoils 10W40 formula. I have lots of friends using the same oil in their different year bikes, and none has had the starter problems, and this includes one with a 2008. I happen to be an Amsoil dealer, but I do not sell very much oil any longer as I am retired. I still supply my friends, but I would not if I thought the oil was the problem. I believe Honda did something to the tolerances in the sprague clutch in the 2009 and newer models which created this difficulty with a heavier than 10W30 oil, and so, I still heartily recommend the 10W40 for anyone not riding a 2009 or newer Goldwing. I am still running the 10W40 in mine either until my next oil change or until "2008retiredplb" does his trial of the 10W30 Amsoil, at which time I will likely switch to the marginally lighter formulation. At this time also, I will suggest to Amsoil that they modify their recommendation for the 2009 and newer Honda GL1800 motorcycles to say 10W30 rather than the 10W40 they are presently showing.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby Sally » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:12 pm

I'm not a fan of amsoil myself. The guy I bought my wing from used it and I used what he had left.( 2 gals) I didn't see any real improvments.When it started shifting harder I changed the oil. I'm a firm believer in 2000 miles no matter what oil.Sally

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby shadontt » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:17 pm

I want to thank those who took the time to answer my question, all good inputs! I am an AMSOIL fan as I use it in my diesel and gas vehicles with excellent results, and I think I'll go ahead and use it in the GL 1800. If anyone has problems with the AMSOIL 10-40W in thier 2008 GL 1800, I'd sure appreciate the heads up so I be proactive in taking preventive measures if warranted. Thanks, safe riding!

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby madron99 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:13 am

Have used AMSOIL in my GL1200 Interstate, GL1500SE and Now My GL1800 started using AMSOIL 6 years ago and have NO problems with it. I love it and will never use anything else.

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby 2008retiredplb » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:59 am

The only negative thing I have found, other than the problem with my 2009 starter, is the situation it puts you in if there is a problem and Honda or any other manufacture disputes that the problem is their's. I have experance from the time I was working at a John Deere dealer and similar things happened. You can get a lot of aggravation when the two different companies blame each other.
But concerning full-synthetic oil, I believe it is the way to go. You can throw out the old rule of changing oil every 2k or 3k, thinking of the comment from "Sally", and go much farther and even at that mileage the oil is not significantly more dirty. Changing oil at 2k is wasteful, costly and not good for the environment. I believe all engine manufactures have increased their oil change recommendations in the past few years to at least two or three thimes that, no mater what oil you use. Oil formula's have changed from the old days when it was recommended to change it every 2K.

Anyway, Have a great and safe riding season.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby Sally » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:12 pm

I do agree with 2008retired. I didn't say I didn't use synthetic oil. I just don't use it in my wing because of the wet cluches. All my other cars I do use synthetic oils and do run the all lots longer about 5000 miles. Your right oils today are much better. Sally

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby waterslider65 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:09 pm

Do any of you use the Amsoil filter with the oil in your 2008 GL1800? If so what number filter do you use?

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby themainviking » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:55 pm

waterslider65 wrote:Do any of you use the Amsoil filter with the oil in your 2008 GL1800? If so what number filter do you use?


Yes. I do. I use the EaOM103, which is the black painted filter. The EaOM103c is a chrome version for more bucks. Exactly the same filter inside. The EaO means it is an "Absolute Efficiency" filter and is actually designed for extended drain intervals, up to I believe 10K miles. I change the filter and the oil at about 6K miles, and at the end of the season, prior to storing the bike for the winter. The one thing we did mention before was that we had problems with the sprague engagement of the starter with 10W40 oil, so we are using 10W30 (Motorcycle oil) My buddy with a 2008 did not have these problems, so I don't know what the problem is with the 2009s. The only thing I had different is that I bought the bike brand new, with no miles, and began using Amsoil early - starting at the second oil change at 6K miles and my buddy bought his 2008 used with 35K miles already on it with petroleum oils used till he got it. Perhaps more of a break in on dinosaur grease :lol:
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby 2008retiredplb » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:16 am

themainviking wrote:
waterslider65 wrote:Do any of you use the Amsoil filter with the oil in your 2008 GL1800? If so what number filter do you use?


Yes. I do. I use the EaOM103, which is the black painted filter. The EaOM103c is a chrome version for more bucks. Exactly the same filter inside. The EaO means it is an "Absolute Efficiency" filter and is actually designed for extended drain intervals, up to I believe 10K miles. I change the filter and the oil at about 6K miles, and at the end of the season, prior to storing the bike for the winter. The one thing we did mention before was that we had problems with the sprague engagement of the starter with 10W40 oil, so we are using 10W30 (Motorcycle oil) My buddy with a 2008 did not have these problems, so I don't know what the problem is with the 2009s. The only thing I had different is that I bought the bike brand new, with no miles, and began using Amsoil early - starting at the second oil change at 6K miles and my buddy bought his 2008 used with 35K miles already on it with petroleum oils used till he got it. Perhaps more of a break in on dinosaur grease :lol:


Greetings again from Illinois. We conversed over the 2009 starting problem a while back and my investigation found that Honda changed their recommendations for the GoldWing in 2009 and later to the 10W-30 grade of oil. I had been in contact with AmsOil about this and I thought they had changed their information to agree with Honda's spec's. I tried testing the difference by using 10W-40 oil after changing the 10W-30 and having no problems with starting it. Then I put the 10W-40 oil that I removed (it only had a couple of hundred miles on it and I drained it into a clean pan to save it) when I tried the 10W-30 oil. When I went back to the 10W-40 the problem reappeared. It would not start on the first try if the temperature was near or below 50 degrees F. Above that temp 10W-40 didn't have a problem. My conclusion was: if you only ride in a warmer climate, that never gets near 50 degrees F, you would not experience the problem.
As far as the AmsOil filter, I have not used it yet but may in the future as I have a few Honda filters to use up first.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby eefer_24 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:01 pm

Hello all,

Own an 03 Gl1800. Bought it last year form the original owner and personal friend. He's run Amsoil since the first oil change and I've continued to use it.
"Big Red" runs beautifully, no issues at all. I'll continue running it. Also just purchased a 99 Valkyrie GL1500. She'd had Amsoil in her since the 5000 mile mark (now at 30,600) and she performs beautifully.

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby jacquehonda » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:54 pm

Hello Every one
Is it save to use AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Metric Motorcycle Oil on 2006 Honda goldwing gl 1800, 32000 miles, also will the oil help to reduce or stop clunking noise when shifting
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby themainviking » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:38 pm

jacquehonda wrote:Hello Every one
Is it save to use AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Metric Motorcycle Oil on 2006 Honda goldwing gl 1800, 32000 miles, also will the oil help to reduce or stop clunking noise when shifting
Thank you


Yeah, if you read any of the oil threads, you would see it is an okay thing to do, and probably will reduce clunky shifting.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby jacquehonda » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:23 pm

Thank you themainviking , i still have honda goldwing filter can i use it with AMSOIL oil or do i need to get Filter AMSOIL EaOM-103

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby themainviking » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:39 pm

You can use the Honda filter as long as it is labeled Honda. If it happens to be a fram filter to fit the Goldwing, then I would not use it. The Amsoil Extreme Efficiency filters are probably better filters, but the Honda branded filter is fine.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby 2008retiredplb » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:38 pm

Don't go cheap with filters just to save a buck or two. Get a good filter like the Honda filter or go to the AmsOil filter or another filter designed for use with synthetic oils.
Why would you put your $3000+ engine, plus labor, at risk by buying a cheap filter. Some of the cheap filters just don't do the job on these highly technical engines. Do a little research online and look at the filtering abilities of each of them and compare before going to some "made in China" $2 filter that wouldn't filter out a marble. Just kidding, but do some homework before making a decision. The cheapest part of a GoldWing oil change is the filter.
I say the same thing about the oil. Check the specs on your oil then make a decision. Also get the correct synthetic oil weight the 2009 GoldWing changed from 10W40 to 10W30 when used in a cooler (50 deg. or less) environment. You can get $2 a quart oil or $15 a quart oil (I pay around $32 per gallon jug for AmsOil full synthetic motorcycle oil) but is it worth taking a risk of an oil failure from a poor quality oil. Then think of the cost for that oil change. 4 quarts of $2 = $8, 4 quarts of $15 = $60. The cost of a new engine $3000+. You make the decision, its your money and your bike. Also with full synthetic oil you can go longer between oil changes than with conventional oil. Compare the oil change interval of the oils and the synthetic oil will go at least twice as long. But still should be changed at least once a year.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby themainviking » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:26 pm

2008retiredplb wrote: Also with full synthetic oil you can go longer between oil changes than with conventional oil. Compare the oil change interval of the oils and the synthetic oil will go at least twice as long. But still should be changed at least once a year.


Now here is where I would absolutely recommend the Amsoil EoAM13 filter. If one is going to extend drain intervals with synthetics, one must get the best filtration possible, and the Absolute Efficiency filters do a better job of taking out the dirt that can actually harm metal parts at a filtering efficiency of 98.7 percent at 20 microns. Particles smaller than 20 microns have very little chance of harming metal parts. I personally change my Amsoil Synthetic 10W40 oil (and the filter) at 10,000 Kilometer intervals, which equates to about 6,000 miles. If I do not happen to ride that far in a year (very seldom happens) I would change the oil before putting the bike up for the winter, which does not apply to those living in more moderate climes. I have done as many as three oil changes in a year when I have had good riding times. That is more kilometers on the bike than I put on any of my other vehicles which equals a happier Viking. I do recollect the year my wife suffered a stroke, and I put only about 6,000 kilometers on the bike. I was a pretty grumpy Viking over the following winter, but life hands us lemons, we get kinda sour, LMAO. Thanking Odin, my wife is better.
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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby Dudleygray » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:20 pm

I'm riding a 2002 GL1800 on my daily 35 mile commute from Humble to Houston if it's not raining when I open the garage door and my iPhone predicts 30% or less chance from 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. Switched from Mobile 1 to AMSOIL a couple of years ago and just turned 114,000 mi today. Rolled over to 100K on July 6, 2015 and it read 113,836 on July 6, 2016 - all local travel. Only road trip was to San Antonio in May. Operating temperature may be higher here than those having problems with starter engagement. Never had a problem as being discussed.

I'm having another problem. I find my starter motor running sometimes, at highway speed, noticeable when traffic slows down to a crawl. Simply toggling the starter switch causes it to stop, and everything else seems to be OK. Reverse and starting. I've probably abused mine many times over the usual frequency, in that when I come to a stop at a red light intersection, I turn it off; restarting only when the car in front of the vehicle I am behind takes his foot off the brake when forward motion resumes.

I love the bike, use the cruise control as much as possible, and have enjoyed negotiating Houston commuter traffic on 2 wheels since 1990. Rode sport touring Kawasaki ZG1000's (3 different ones) but traded my 1997 for the GL1800 in Oct 2001. The only fault was the speed sensor, which GoldwingDocs helped me determine and how-to's enabled me to replace it myself. I have done most of the minor maintenance myself, including replacing the air filter and now will be replacing the front fender back section.

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby Cabernet red 06 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:27 pm

been using amsoil in my bike for years now...no issues here....I don't get to ride as much as I'd like to so I only change it in the fall when I store it and it lasts all summer without a change...ride safe...

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby speedbuggy » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:38 pm

I have a 2007 and have been using Amsoil 10w40 Full Synthetic (Metric) for years without any problems.
Here in Canada, with varying temps, I find it works great.
I use the Honda oil filter. My wing has just over 68,000km.(45,000miles.)
No problems with starter, shifting or anything else. :D

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Re: AMSOIL use in GL 1800?

Postby 2008retiredplb » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:59 pm

speedbuggy wrote:I have a 2007 and have been using Amsoil 10w40 Full Synthetic (Metric) for years without any problems.
Here in Canada, with varying temps, I find it works great.
I use the Honda oil filter. My wing has just over 68,000km.(45,000miles.)
No problems with starter, shifting or anything else. :D


I think it started with the 2009 goldwing. I don't know if any one or any other years have the problem. I only know of a few that have the 2009 model the have had the problem. I used AmsOil 10W40 in my 2001 Goldwing and never had any problems but when it got colder with my 2009 I started having the problem. Changed to 10W30 and haven't had any problems since.


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