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intermittent TPMS light

Post by casekid » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:49 pm



Hi guys I have 2009 GL 1800 with a intermittent tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) light. I bought the CD service manual but it doesn't say a word about this system. So any help on where to get info about this or what I need to do would be a greatly appreciated.
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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by themainviking » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:47 am

First, are your tires aired up enough? Give them each another pound or two to see if it solves the problem. If it does, buy a new pressure gauge. If not, and if you still have warrantee, take it up with your dealer. If all this fails, try getting hold of a tire dealer who has a TPMS reset device and get them to try resetting it.

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by Al Waters » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:24 pm

Here is my experience with the TPMS. I bought a used 2009 1800 and the TPMS light was already on. My bad because the seller told me that he had an earlier 1800 and that it was a common thing. I didn't know about TPMS as my last bike was an 1100 twenty something years a go. Now I know a little more. Fortunately, my 2009 bike was still under warranty so definitely check that out first as was posted earlier. There are two lights. One tells you the system is working (mine was not) and the other is when your tire pressure decreases for whatever reasons by 10%. They should both go on when you turn on the ignition. Then they should both go off in a second or two. You now know that the TPMS system is working as well as the low tire pressure system indicator.
After a couple of trips to the shop where they reset the system with their computer (it worked for a few weeks then the system light came on), they decided to replace the units on both wheels. Everything has been fine since. It has been 5 months.

Before I bought my Wing, I and a friend had rented Wings the past couple of years for one week trips. There were times when we got on the bikes in the morning and the low pressure light would be on. After a few miles, the light would go off. Dealers there said that it was common in very cold areas until the tires heated up. Temps were in the low 40's.

I am no Gold Wing guru by any means. I can just tell you my experience. From what I got, if the TPMS system light stays on, or blinks, the system is not working properly. Once it is working properly, you can then rely on the low pressure light working properly.

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by Sally » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:23 pm

can't really help you but in my opinion all these electronics are not needed.. I have not ever seen one of these TPMS work for long even on cars. I beleive most problems with these are do to the moisture in the compressed air shop use. You really need super dry air. I alway use Nitrgon in my tires for this very reason. Don't let your shop charge you an arm and leg for nitrgon. I went to my local welding suppier and bought a tank and a set of gages. One tank will last years. I have 5 cars and 3 bikes use it in all of them and had this tank two years now.. Sally

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by dragon2000 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:09 pm

I had the same issue with my TPMS when I first got my Wing especially on cold morning when the temp was in the low 50's. What Viking said is also true in that my front tire when cold was showing under inflated so I boosted it up a couple of pounds and that solved the issue.

In regards to using Nitrogen, I started using it with my 2 bikes and cars have never had an issue with them loosing air.
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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by Al Waters » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:36 pm

Geez, I guess that I should never have said anything. Here is what I ran into. Just last night I was driving home and right after I took off, the low pressure light started blinking. I stopped the bike and checked the tires and everything appeared fine. I got back on the road and the light continued to blink for a few more miles then went out. This morning I checked the pressure and the rear tire was down a couple of pounds but not by 10%. I got it back to the specs and everything has been fine with the TPMS system. The temp last night was high 50's according to the temp gauge the Wing indicated.
They say don't rely on the TPMS as gold and still check the tires periodically. It is a nice feature to have. I have dumped a bike on the freeway years a go when the front went flat faster than I could react.

Nitrogen???? I did not know that. Learn something new everyday. I will have to check that one out. Good reading out here for sure.

Thanks, Al Waters

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by mcbrown » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:37 pm

Many years ago I and my girlfriend at that time went on a long country trip on a GL1000 K1. When returning home I noticed that the bike was getting very difficult to corner and this was while doing about 140km ( ~75mph). I was hanging off the side of the bike trying to get around the sweeping corners. We stopped by the side of the road and took the front wheel off and I hitched a ride to the nearest town with a rock under the engine to support the bike while the wheel was off. The local country garage put a tube in and I hitched back to the bike with the girlfriend standing guard to make sure no-one touched our bike. The tyre was very flat and to this day I dont know how the Michelin didn't come off the rim.

I now have a 2010 GL1800 and hope the TPMS will alert me before I get into the above situation again.

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by casekid » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:32 pm

Thanks for all the input. I will check tire pressure again just cover all bases. Does anyone know if there is a supplement to go with the Honda CD service manual that would cover this system? The copy I have has the right part # according to my owners manual but it does't mention this system. You are right Al there is some great info here!

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by grwsystems » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:27 am

As mentioned earlier, there are two TPMS lights on the dash. The one that looks like a tire profile with an exclamation mark in the center indicates that a tire is 10% (or more) low. When the "TPMS" light is on, it indicates that there is a communication or system failure. The way a TPMS works is there are pressure sensors on the inside of the tires. These sensors have batteries inside them, and they periodically transmit a message to the TPMS receiver located inside the right front fairing. When that receiver fails to receive a message from either tire for a period of time, the "TPMS" light will go on. If the receiver eventually receives a message from the missing tire, the "TPMS" light will go out. As the years roll on, eventually the batteries in the sensors inside the tires will die, and the TPMS light will stay on. Of course, there are other reasons why the TPMS light may be on, but the testing procedure is extensive. The 2012 Service Manual dedicates chapter 25 to the TPMS system, and the troubleshooting and repair instructions cover 24 pages.
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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by waituntilthebeep » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:05 pm

I have a 2012 and I have had a couple situations where the TPMS has saved my bacon big time! Both involved screws in my tire and decently rapid deflation at high speeds. The key is to have your tires at operating temp THEN check the pressures. Run it for a handful of miles and top them off. If you top them off below 50 degrees F they will be overinflated hot. I ride year around and when I climb on the girl at 20 degrees... was that cold most of last week... the TPMS light is blinking its ass off. Within 5 miles though, the temps in the tire come up and it is just fine. If it doesn't stop flashing by then, I am looking for air. It is kind of annoying to have it flash as we would all like to just have everything doin the do from key on but I find this keeps me vigilant and makes sure I will stay shiny side up. I have no flashing lights over 50 degrees at normal pressures. Just happens for a bit when it dips down to "WTF am I doing on the bike this morning" temp. Should think of nitrogen but not at the top of my list.

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:25 am

waituntilthebeep wrote:I have a 2012 and I have had a couple situations where the TPMS has saved my bacon big time! Both involved screws in my tire and decently rapid deflation at high speeds. The key is to have your tires at operating temp THEN check the pressures. Run it for a handful of miles and top them off. If you top them off below 50 degrees F they will be overinflated hot. I ride year around and when I climb on the girl at 20 degrees... was that cold most of last week... the TPMS light is blinking its ass off. Within 5 miles though, the temps in the tire come up and it is just fine. If it doesn't stop flashing by then, I am looking for air. It is kind of annoying to have it flash as we would all like to just have everything doin the do from key on but I find this keeps me vigilant and makes sure I will stay shiny side up. I have no flashing lights over 50 degrees at normal pressures. Just happens for a bit when it dips down to "WTF am I doing on the bike this morning" temp. Should think of nitrogen but not at the top of my list.
NO NO NO, this is completely wrong advice.

The tire pressures given by Honda AND the tire manufacturer are intended for when the tire is COLD. Never measure or add/remove air from a tire when it is warm. The only time you should ever check a tire pressure is when it is dead cold - i.e. sat overnight, and has not been left sitting in the sun.

The pressure of course goes up as the tire heats up, and the manufacturers have taken this into account in giving you the pressure values to use. It is normal and expected.

The reason that your TPMS light is flashing is because your tires are UNDERINFLATED. If you are setting the pressure in your tires when they are hot, then they are UNDERINFLATED when they are cold, and that is why your TPMS light is flashing at you.

Do what the manual tells you to do: check and fill your tires when they are cold, and then just leave them alone. You do NOT need to re-check the pressures when they are warm. Nitrogen will not make any difference with this.

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by waituntilthebeep » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:47 am

I will start with a disclaimer... The manufacturer says to do... whatever.... so do it. I do so most of the time. I also don't have a temperature reading on my thermometer that says "COLD" so I have never been able to accurately set my pressures at that nebulous temperature. I am a performance tweaker and I color outside the lines to get better performance or longevity. The pressure adjustment procedure I suggested is what works for ME, in my quest to change wear patterns, tire noise, handling or life of the tire, and it is ALL a balance. What I, and this needs repeated, what I do, is to set at warm (not freeway hot) temps so I get more consistent wear and performance out of my tires. The TPMS system (which is a FAILSAFE SYSTEM, no more than an idiot light) WARNS (blinking) if you are 10% below factory set pressures. This is approximately 4PSI, give or take. It SCREAMS (solid) if you are at about 10PSI or more below... at least on my bike, yours may be different due to manufacturing. I personally don't worry about 4 psi when I am starting up at 25 degrees. It shuts up in less than 5 miles and doesn't turn back on. I know from my personal experience that tire wear is not optimal if my COLD temp is set below 50 degrees. But that is my tires and I ride like I stole it, rain, shine, sleet, hail or frogs. When I changed to Darkside, I adapted pressures again because I get snake skin wear on my BT front tire if I set the pressures to stock. This is outside of the scope of Honda factory SOP so that doesn't count.

Bottom line is this... Do what works for you and what you are comfortable with, based on your experience. Many have said that Darksiding is insanity and it works but it doesn't mean that it is 'right' for you. If I noticed any adverse outcome from MY procedure, I for sure would not do it. That is NOT a sales pitch for what I do. Keep youir own hide in mind when you maintain your ride and keep it shiny side up at all costs.

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Re: intermittent TPMS light

Post by waituntilthebeep » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:51 pm

Not to sound all didactic and what not, but I did some running research on TPMS for giggles. I do believe that maintaining proper tire pressure is paramount to safety and the TPMS system only makes that easier. It doesn't however replace vigilance. Also... as an aside... some in bike world, not necessarily Honda specific, have bought spare rims so they can have dealerships do the tire change and balance but they do the install themselves. I read a comment somewhere that the OP did a rim swap with it's own sensor and was pleasantly surprised that the TPMS warning light didn't come on after swapping rims. That is because the sensors have motion sensors in them that wake up the hardware and broadcast their signal once the tires are rolling. If you change both rims and not the sensors, your system may not be smart enough to see wheel speed without a signal generated from the sensors. A low pressure light won't turn on if you have not started rolling fast enough to wake the sensors up, or at least that has been my experience. I don't get a low light until I hit 5 mph or better when my pressures are below the warning threshold. My wife's Focus is the same way. Intermesting me thinks.

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