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GPS Update

Postby garrisj » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:39 am



I have a 2008 GL1800 does anyone know how and if there is an update to the software out there?



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Re: GPS Update

Postby rgw5944 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:46 am

The only non-NT update available is to V2009. IMO, do not waste you money because you will be gaining almost nothing new from what you have. Been there and done that. You will most likely need to update the FirmWare to 4.60 for a newer map to work. Check the link below. There currently are 1163 posts with guys trying to get their units updated. I used the instructions provided when I upgraded mine. Gets complicated because most units up to what year I'm not sure, can only use a non-NT version of Mapsource and the only current updates are for the NT version.
http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthre ... everything

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Re: GPS Update

Postby themainviking » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:15 am

Yes, it can be updated. Garmins latest is V2011 which they charge $95 for. If your bike is a 2006 to 2008 US model, or 2006 to 2010 Rest of the World model, then the update will be on a CF card, with which you must take extreme care when pressing into your GPS unit to avoid bending pins. I have done many of these updates, and have not bent one pin (yet) and with enough care, hopefully I won't either, as the GPS unit is not easily nor inexpensively replaced. A note to the wise. The V2011 update from Garmin still only has maps current to Oct or Nov 2010. A bit of creative work using GPS sites on the internet can get you much more current, but you HAVE TO have version 4.60 firmware in order to be able to use them. There are at least twenty threads here on this site explaining a lot.
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Re: GPS Update

Postby zalesjak » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:43 pm

Hi,

I'm from Slovenia EU, owner of Goldwing 2007 airbag, EU version with navi. Two months ago I upgraded GPS system firmware from Ver 2.2 to Ver 4.6 and upgraded City Navigator Europe from V8 NON-NT maps to newest 2012/2013 NT maps.

System works good with newest NT cartography but I noticed some affects on radio functions on my Europe motorcycle version:

1. voice guidance is completely uncompatible and useless, so I switched it off becouse system speaks something completely nonsence
2. RDS radio receiver don't display radio station name anymore. It displays only frequency. RDS AF function works properly, radio also changes frequencies automatically.
3. On the display there is no status for AF, NEWS and TA functionc. Functions work properly, just display don't show their status.

I knew Ver 4.6 is made for US market, but despite anomalies described above I did this compromise becouse it's important to me navigation is up-to-date.

On my opinion Goldwing is not a toy for two or three years, so it would be fine and right if Honda provides complete support for entire product, included navigation system at least for product lifetime.

If anyone knows if there exist firmware version for EU models with support for NT cartography please inform me. Information will be suitable also for many other EU Goldwing 2006 - 2012 owner with navigation.

Best regards.

Dean

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Re: GPS Update

Postby themainviking » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:00 pm

zalesjak wrote:If anyone knows if there exist firmware version for EU models with support for NT cartography please inform me. Information will be suitable also for many other EU Goldwing 2006 - 2012 owner with navigation.

Best regards.

Dean


Sorry, I can't give you any information on this, but you could contact Garmin directly. I would NOT let them know that you are already using V4.60 as they will be pretty sure you did not buy it. The way we got them to cooperate and develop 4.60 was by complaining - A LOT - to Honda upper level staff, to Garmin, to Government sources, as the contract Honda has with Garmin requires support and in Canada at least, using old product in a new automobile is considered to be product dumping. Sorry for ranting, but a lot of people spent a lot of time to get this - AND IT DOES NOT WORK RIGHT - so we are still at it. Good luck communicating with Garmin. They are really good at playing stupid - or maybe they ain't playing. Version 4.60 did indeed allow the use of newer map forms, and I am current to May 2012, but lock ups and glitches are very common, as you have noticed.
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Re: GPS Update

Postby zalesjak » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:17 pm

I have alredy communicated with Garmin representative in our country about this issue.

Their response was very quick and short. Garmin has written:
"Sorry, becouse device is built in vehicle by manufacturer, only tham can help you solving problem"

Prior I spoke with Honda representative and they said this is the problem of Garmin and they don't have solution for upgrade for devices 2006 - 2010.

Realy don't know who plays more stupid (Garmin or Honada) and who should prepare the solution.

Any idea?

Regards.

Dean

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Re: GPS Update

Postby themainviking » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:38 am

If you have a government agency that looks into vehicle warrantee and product dumping in your country, you could contact them. In our country, they are very good at getting to the bottom of things if they are given enough information. Ultimately, Honda is responsible as they sold the product. They need to contact Garmin and demand that the updates are done. The problem with this is that Honda wants $300 for the updated CF cards, while Garmin sells them for $95, so after working really hard at getting Honda to get Garmin to update the CF carded units, who are you going to buy from? It is not in Honda's best interest to hammer at Garmin if Garmin are the only ones who will make any money. Anyway, our Consumers Protection Agency has a department for product dumping, and that is who I contacted, with a bushel of information. They agreed to look into it, and the next thing I heard was that Garmin was working on a fix. I got their fix (V4.50) and it did not work well, so they brought out another one (V4.60) which is better but still has issues, so they are still looking into it. But fixes with issues are not profitable, and neither is working on fixes, so I do not hold my breath between releases. We do have to realize that the programming to make a non NT map GPS into an NT capable GPS is extensive, and these units have only limited ROM, so something has to go in order to put something else in, and there is not much that can be taken away before the units become completely useless. If they never come out with another upgraded firmware, I can live with what I have, just so I have something built in, so I do not forget it, or have it ripped off when I park the bike anywhere. It falls under the "Anything is better than Nothing" category.
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Re: GPS Update

Postby zalesjak » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:32 am

Viking,

thanks very much for your answer and very good explanation about the issue.

Today I contacted Honda representative in our country and described tham how things stay in the US.

A friend of mine at Honda assures me, that problem was escalated on Honda Europe after my e-mail a month ago and they will try to do as much as possible.

I'll post any further information I'll receive if I'll receive from Honda.

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Re: GPS Update

Postby Ronco » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:17 pm

The new Firmware version 2.60 for EU models with support for NT cartography does only work if you like to drive highway. Each route will direct you to the next highway! This is a no go!

For my opinion for EU Models it's the best if you use Firmware 2.30 and "Open Street Maps"!
"Open Street Maps" are free of charge and legal!

Or install a additional GPS.

Sorry, but that's the fact.

Forget cheap Firmware Upgrade made in Taiwan by Honda. Quality looks different!
I paid 150 EUR for Firmware 2.60 and old NT Maps from 2011.
Never ever!

See also my Post on:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11933

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Re: GPS Update

Postby Ronco » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:48 am

This was the offer for:

Firmware version 2.60 for EU models with support for NT cartography

See attachment!

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Re: GPS Update

Postby themainviking » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:15 am

If that was from Garmin, it is almost double what they are selling the North American update for. If from Honda, then it is less expensive than here... :lol:
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Re: GPS Update

Postby zalesjak » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:18 pm

Hi,

last year I upgraded my GPS from Ver. 2.2 to 4.6

Today I got new European Firmware 2.6 with support for NT maps and try to change firmware, but system don't want to catch it.

Does anyone have idea how to reset unit to factory default or to convince it to take new firmware 2.6.

Regards from Slovenia.

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Re: GPS Update

Postby themainviking » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:26 pm

If the instructions from Garmin will not update your NAVI CF carded unit, then there are some further steps that you can take. These steps are best accomplished by two people.

1. Remove the screws from the trunk unit, so that you can open up the plastic cover. There are four screws holding the plastic cover to the trunk front wall, and for the two lower ones you will need a shorter screwdriver (Philips head)

2. Open the plastic cover to expose the NAVI unit. Look closely at the top edge of the unit, to find a tiny hole. This is the reset, and it needs an object the size of a paper clip to press it.

3. Partially insert the CF card with the update on it into the slot in the GPS unit, but do not press it home. Using a paper clip or like item, test press the reset button so you can see what pressure it takes – not much.

4. While pressing the reset button, have someone turn the ignition switch to ACC position, and read what the display says. It should say “holding”. At this time, while continuing to hold the reset button in, finish inserting the CF card with the update on it.

5. The display should go to “loader” and then to “updating from card”. At this time, you can release the reset button, and allow the unit to update.

6. Turn the ignition to the off position. If you had purchased the Garmin version of this update, when you next go to use your NAVI, you can check the version and map information by pressing the ENT button when asked to, and going to the screen for INFO/SYSTEM. It should show that your version is 4.60 and your mapping should be City Navigator North America NT 2011.7 March 2010. If you have more a more recent update than the Garmin one, then you should still show Version 4.60, but the mapping will probably say “City Navigator North America NT 2012.40 February 2012”, as mine does.
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Re: GPS Update

Postby zalesjak » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:18 pm

themainviking wrote:If the instructions from Garmin will not update your NAVI CF carded unit, then there are some further steps that you can take. These steps are best accomplished by two people.

1. Remove the screws from the trunk unit, so that you can open up the plastic cover. There are four screws holding the plastic cover to the trunk front wall, and for the two lower ones you will need a shorter screwdriver (Philips head)

2. Open the plastic cover to expose the NAVI unit. Look closely at the top edge of the unit, to find a tiny hole. This is the reset, and it needs an object the size of a paper clip to press it.

3. Partially insert the CF card with the update on it into the slot in the GPS unit, but do not press it home. Using a paper clip or like item, test press the reset button so you can see what pressure it takes – not much.

4. While pressing the reset button, have someone turn the ignition switch to ACC position, and read what the display says. It should say “holding”. At this time, while continuing to hold the reset button in, finish inserting the CF card with the update on it.

5. The display should go to “loader” and then to “updating from card”. At this time, you can release the reset button, and allow the unit to update.

6. Turn the ignition to the off position. If you had purchased the Garmin version of this update, when you next go to use your NAVI, you can check the version and map information by pressing the ENT button when asked to, and going to the screen for INFO/SYSTEM. It should show that your version is 4.60 and your mapping should be City Navigator North America NT 2011.7 March 2010. If you have more a more recent update than the Garmin one, then you should still show Version 4.60, but the mapping will probably say “City Navigator North America NT 2012.40 February 2012”, as mine does.



Themainviking,

thanks very, very, very much.

I tried this procedure and in 2 minutes sucessfuly upgraded my system to Ver. 2.6 for Europe. It.works great.

Regards from Slovenia :D




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