No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no rever


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No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no rever

Postby b8210t » Wed May 22, 2013 7:04 pm



Help, last fall out for ride, Wing warmed up, stopped for gas, no start, cna hear relay or solenoid under seat clicking, battery bug says 70% and 12.9 volts. Towed to a cycle shop, result, switches cleaned, degreased and re lubed, worked fine, starts good. Michigan winter, battery placed on battery tender, shows 70% and 12.9 volts. Spring, works fine, starts good, reverse good. Then stopped on ride for our chapters Tuesday nite ice cream ride, starts, but I shut it off instead of idling while group organizes no CB'ers. Won't restart (still 70%, 12.9 volts). can hear relay or solenoid under seat clicking, finally decide to have someone push it and it starts in 2nd gear ok. Try reverse to back out of spot, neutral light on, reverse lite comes on, no reverse. I decide no ice cream head home, about 30+ miles away, so bike gets good and warmed up. Get bike into garage, shut off, and try for the fun of it to restart and it does fine, starts right up like a good WIng. But no reverse, in neutral, lite on, reverse lite comes on, but still no reverse. Before all if this, reverse worked fine, no problems. Any ideas? Please, Michigan riding season is in full swing and hate to miss out on good days, PLUS, planning a trip to Blue Ridge Parkway at end of June and Deals Gap. Would hate to get stranded on the road at a local diner. Thanks in advance for your help or ideas.



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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby redial » Wed May 22, 2013 10:33 pm

You dont say how old the battery is, and that is why I am suggesting the following action.

First step is go and have your battery "load tested" to see if the jolts are transient or long lasting. This should be done with a load tester at a battery specialist place, or an auto electrician, and will test to see that all cells are functioning correctly. Be aware that they are looking to sell you a new one, so it may be wise to go and see a couple of places.


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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby zalesjak » Thu May 23, 2013 1:43 am

Hi,

The same thing happened to my friend.

Take a look at common groung, screwed near the battery under the left plastic cover, clean and tight well the screw on shasy.

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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby bustedwing » Thu May 23, 2013 12:07 pm

I would try cotact cleaner on the starter switch. You have to have a electronic cleaner, not wd40 as thatwwill leave a film. Then make sure the starter connections are clean and tight, there is also a relay between the battery and the starter, make sure the same on that. Then check the relay to make sure power is going where it is supposed to , you need a test light to check this. All of this should either cure your problem,or give you an idea what is wrong.
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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby bayoudave » Thu May 23, 2013 6:35 pm

If the battery is weak it may start the bike but not run the reverse. Had the same problem, bike would start but reverse would not work. Put charger on bike and next day cranked it up and the reverse worked. Killed the bike and tried later that afternoon and bike started but reverse would not work. Bought new battery and haven't looked back since. You may need a new battery.
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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Fri May 24, 2013 4:01 pm

Thanks for all the help. Put a new battery in this PM. Was not sure how old battery was, bought bike used last August, So, put a new battery in this afternoon to make sure this was or was not the problem. Result? Still no reverse, neutral light is on, reverse light comes on, and seems to lock into reverse, but no movement. It starts right up. I am thinking relay, but Clymers shows 3 reverse relays. Is there still a solenoid for the starter function and reverse also? Or do the relays act as a solenoid. A few years ago had a starting problem with a Honda Shadow, and starter solenoid was the culprit. Thanks in advance for all the help. Keep the shiny side up.

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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Sat May 25, 2013 4:49 pm

The AH HA moment has arrived. Yesterday, put in a new battery, and as I had posted NO reverse, well this AM really wanted to join Chapter V (Michigan) for a ride, so, went out to garage where GW is parked, had been on battery tender all night, and, at it started fine, and, at first no reverse (neutral light and reverse light on), so, I pushed start button a few times, and reverse worked. So, happily went out for ride. Made a few stops and no problems, so for now it seems that the new battery did the trick. Will keep all posted to see what happens in near future. Thanks for all who helped.

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Postby themainviking » Sat May 25, 2013 5:40 pm

b8210t wrote:The AH HA moment has arrived. Yesterday, put in a new battery, and as I had posted NO reverse, well this AM really wanted to join Chapter V (Michigan) for a ride, so, went out to garage where GW is parked, had been on battery tender all night, and, at it started fine, and, at first no reverse (neutral light and reverse light on), so, I pushed start button a few times, and reverse worked. So, happily went out for ride. Made a few stops and no problems, so for now it seems that the new battery did the trick. Will keep all posted to see what happens in near future. Thanks for all who helped.


I am happy you have it working again. This would indicate that you could stand to clean the start switch with some electronics cleaner. (not WD40) These switches get gummed up after a period of time and they all need to be cleaned sooner or later.
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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Sun May 26, 2013 7:14 pm

More bad news. Went for a ride today, and Wing started fine, also had reverse after I stopped and picked up a friend for a joint ride. Stopped for lunch, and Wing started fine, BUT, no reverse, so had to back peddle wing out of parking spot. Thank goodness it was a bit downhill. so, sensing trouble, cut ride short and headed for home. When I got home, Wing in garage, shut her down, and have tried to restart her, and nothing but a loud click. I have a local shop and he thought it was the solenoids (he works mainly on Wings), so he has ordered them. What I am wondering is it possible it may be the starter? Remember that last fall had same problem and switches were cleaned and old grease removed and regreased. Will try to get her started tomorrow after battery has been on battery tender all night. Question I really have, does the Wing have both relays in relay box and solenoids also? Thanks in advance for any help.

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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Mon May 27, 2013 10:28 pm

This is turning out to be the Wing from hell. This AM (monday) called shop I was going to take it to, to see if I got Wing started, could I drop it off until you can work on it. Ok he says, SO, tried to start Wing, and after moving switch in and out quickly, (start switch), it fired up. Good, I am driving it to his shop (about 20+ miles) and I stall Wing and have difficult time restarting, jiggled start switch several times, and it restarts. Get to his shop, and he tries, same thing, moving switch several times rapidly, it starts and does the same to get it into reverse, some times it goes into reverse sometimes not. Should I look into replacing switch, remember I just had it cleaned delubed and clean lube placed in switch. I am not sure I can trust machine even after it is worked on, when I go to Blue Ridge Parkway from middle of Michigan. Bike is an '03, with 38K on it. Have many had starter problems? I see the Honda price, ouch, can they be rebuilt? I know you may be tired of hearing of my odessey with this bike. Again, thanks to all who have posted help.

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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby bustedwing » Tue May 28, 2013 9:41 am

It sounds like you are getting down to the bottom of your problem. You won't know if the switch is working each time you activate it without a test light. Hopefully the technician will test it and the relays before replacing anything. That is the only way to know for sure without throwing parts at it and hoping it cures the problem.
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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Fri May 31, 2013 11:08 pm

Well, we may have found the problem. The GW shop that I took it to, experienced the problem, and took start/reverse switch apart (not recommended for the faint of heart), and found that it was somewhat corroded, (not happy with first shop it took it too and what they charged), but the new shop cleaned contacts, about 4 or 5, these are the soldered ends of the wires leading to reverse and start relays and solenoids and the contacts on the switch lever itself (2 copper contacts and very small), he said that all contacts and copper contacts were covered with a green film. So he polished all with an emory cloth, and then coated them all with dielectric grease, and pronounced the job finished. I picked up GW and drove her home without incident. We figure the next time it happens, if it does, the entire switch housing and internals will have to be replaced. OUCH Will update to let you know how fix is working. He did happen to have another switch on his bench and showed me the contacts and the soldered wire ends, so now I have an idea what the works look like internally. Thanks to all for your help and input.

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Postby bustedwing » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:06 am

That is not normally one you take apart, just replace. But glad to see someone with some savvy tackled itan saved you some money. Hopefully you won't have any more problems and your ride will perform faithfully for you. Glad we could help you out plus you gained some knowledge about your Wing. Ride safe.
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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:05 pm

Well, back again, and some strange events happened. Went to take an advanced rider course to refresh before long trip to Blue ridge Parkway and the Dragon, stopped for dinner with traveling friend, who also was taking ARC course, and Wing started up fine after dinner, but, NO REVERSE, I am not a happy camper now. Decided to continue on to site of ARC ( a ride of about 100 miles) and arrived at motel, checked in, restarted bike AND, viola, reverse working. Took ARC class and course the next day, had to restart bike many times, and as you know if you took course, most riding is at lower speeds. Stopped to eat on the way home after a ride of about 40 to 50 miles, parked Wing, and after dinner, restarted fine and reverse also working fine. Now I am really stumped, riding partner, who is going to Blue Ridge with me, wants me to call shop back up and have starter pulled and brushes checked. I am reluctant to do this, since GW seems to be working fine. (I worked in auto industry at 2 different new car dealers as a service advisor) I am very reluctant to simply throw parts at the thing in hopes that I throw a "strike" and not just run up a parts bill. Any ideas out there. Unfortunately, we are planning on leaving in just 10 days. Do I trust the machine? I am taking it out a few more times before we leave. HELP!

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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby b8210t » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:09 pm

WEll, back from Blue Ridge Parkway and the Tail of the Dragon, and GW performed flawlessly. Started and reversed every time it was asked to. No problems. GW shop I took it to, seemed to have fixed the problem. Bad grease and poor contacts in the start-reverse switch. Will let all know how long repair lasts until new switch is needed. Today is July 11, 2013. Thanks to all who advised.

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Re: No start, no reverse, BUT, then starts ok but still no r

Postby Red Ron » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:42 am

When the reverse doesn't work, can you hear the starter motor working and trying to back the bike up. If so it may be that the reverse is slipping and the cables need to be adjusted accordingly.




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