GL1800 Dead Battery????


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GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby gof » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:57 am



2 questions: 2004 GW

Can a little excess moisture in the garage kill a battery? (I have a sump pit in the garage)
Will jump starting a GW with a car kill the battery or wiring etc?
Whats the quickest way to be sure I am charging fro the alternator?

History:
I recently found both my spare car and motorcycle with dead batteries. I find the timing of the two suspect.I put a new glass mat battery in last season. I left it on a maintainer over the winter.
The bike sat in the garage recently for 4-6 weeks (in the summer) not on a maintainer.
I found the battery dead enough not to be able crank the engine.
I put it on a battery maintainer for a few hours, it started. I took it for a 20 minute ride, again would not crank enough to start.
At this point I had no choice but to jump start it with a car.
I got home put it on a trickle charger overnight and it read fully charged. Rode it for 25 minutes and again was stuck dead.
This time with the aid of a hill I bump started it and got home.



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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby Ghostman » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:21 am

You dont say how old the battery is but it shows all the symptoms of 1 or more bad cells in it. I would definitely replace it. When I ride mine I keep it on a maintainer after all of my rides. I also keep my wifes car on a maintainer also. She uses it very infrequently and between the alarm and other systems it will run down the battery given enough time.

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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby gof » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:31 am

Ghostman wrote:You dont say how old the battery is but it shows all the symptoms of 1 or more bad cells in it. I would definitely replace it. When I ride mine I keep it on a maintainer after all of my rides. I also keep my wifes car on a maintainer also. She uses it very infrequently and between the alarm and other systems it will run down the battery given enough time.


This was a fairly pricey battery maybe $140, supposed to be "great". I will check a Die Hard price or similar this time, although if I remember correctly they were fairly high too.

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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby Ghostman » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:03 am

http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-ATX20LBS- ... 4843CG76J3

Heres a suggestion for you. I run a stock wing battery and Ive got one of these on the shelf for the future. In my last bike I had one of the fancy batteries and it didnt seem much better than the stock battery.The cost was almost twice as much as stock and it didnt make that much difference. To be sure about your old battery you can take it out and have it load tested at Advance auto or Pep boys or one of those if you have one around you to be sure its the battery and not your alternator.

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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby gof » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:18 am

Ghostman wrote:http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-ATX20LBS-Maintenance-Absorbed-Powersport/dp/B007IPL0PY/ref=br_lf_m_1001118571_2_42_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=automotive&pf_rd_p=1522816662&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1001118571&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JM10SSQ6S4843CG76J3

Heres a suggestion for you. I run a stock wing battery and Ive got one of these on the shelf for the future. In my last bike I had one of the fancy batteries and it didnt seem much better than the stock battery.The cost was almost twice as much as stock and it didnt make that much difference. To be sure about your old battery you can take it out and have it load tested at Advance auto or Pep boys or one of those if you have one around you to be sure its the battery and not your alternator.

Local Honda shops are $110.00 and $85.00. I will pick up an $85 today and check it out.

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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby artgrantz » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:13 pm

I had a similar problem with a glass mat battery, but it was several years old, not just one season as yours is. The battery would die and after 10 or 20 minutes it would start the bike and all would be well for a week or so, then the same thing would happen.
Installing a new battery solved the problem.

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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby gof » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:18 pm

gof wrote:
Ghostman wrote:http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-ATX20LBS-Maintenance-Absorbed-Powersport/dp/B007IPL0PY/ref=br_lf_m_1001118571_2_42_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=automotive&pf_rd_p=1522816662&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1001118571&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JM10SSQ6S4843CG76J3

Heres a suggestion for you. I run a stock wing battery and Ive got one of these on the shelf for the future. In my last bike I had one of the fancy batteries and it didnt seem much better than the stock battery.The cost was almost twice as much as stock and it didnt make that much difference. To be sure about your old battery you can take it out and have it load tested at Advance auto or Pep boys or one of those if you have one around you to be sure its the battery and not your alternator.

Local Honda shops are $110.00 and $85.00. I will pick up an $85 today and check it out.


It was $71.00 and some change from Honda. Off brand battery.

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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby themainviking » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:23 pm

Now I would have thought that the battery should start the bike after you had ridden it for 25 minutes or so, if the alternator was charging the battery. The best way to know if your alternator is charging is to put a meter on the battery terminals with the bike running. It should show a voltage in the range of 13.2 to 13.8 Volts minimum, if I remember correctly. With your problem, that is the first thing I would have checked. If the charging voltage is up there, I would immediately suspect a bad battery. If not, a bad alternator.

The reason I would have thought this is - whenever I have had a battery go bad with one or even two bad cells, it always works fine till the vehicle is parked for a couple of days. As long as it is being charged every day by starting and running the vehicle, it seems to be fine. The minute it goes any time at all (more than a day or two) without being charged, it dies, or at least to a voltage level that it will not start the vehicle.

Oh, and as to jump starting..... it will not likely kill the wiring or the battery to jump start from a car, as long as you disconnect the jump cables immediately upon the GW starting, however, it could kill your alternator. If you do it with the car NOT running, you are much safer.
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Re: GL1800 Dead Battery????

Postby Ghostman » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:54 pm

I had an issue with my battery less than 30 days after I bought my trike. The dealers mechanic was running my radio when he was servicing my trike and fried the battery when they jammed a charge into it after he ran it down. They cooked out a few cells. You could ride around and then stop for gas and it would barely start. After putting it on a maintainer it would fire right up but the longer you rode it the less charge it would have. Replaced the battery and it was fine after.




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