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Gold Wing tires

Postby b8210t » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:34 pm



2003 GL1800, what kind of tire mileage can I expect? Running Dunlop Elite 3 radials both front 130/70r18 and rear, 180/60r16? Have about 12K on current tires. and just wondering about when I need to spend $400+ on new ones? Some members of my local GWRRA Michigan chapter V are running a car tire on the back of theirs, but I am wondering about liability. don't normally have a passenger, but just in case in today's litigating society we now live in, I would prefer motorcycle tires on my Wing. Forgot to mention, I purchased bike used from a dealer, and these tires were installed as part of purchase deal. Also, starting problem I reported to this forum earlier, seems to be solved. Thanks in advance to any replies.



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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby artgrantz » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:24 am

I had Avon Cobras on my 1800 and was not happy with the way they felt on tar snakes and milled pavement and metal bridges. They were too unstable for me on those surfaces. After a trip to California from PA, about 7,000 miles, a little more than half the useable tread was gone. I had raised the tire pressure to 35 front, 45 rear, and there was no sign of cupping.
I had to replace them before my 2nd trip to California so I don't really know how long they would have lasted.
I replaced those with Bridgestones and like them more than the Avons. They are more stable on the sufaces I mentioned above. They too were about half gone after the trip to California. Same tire pressure as the Avons, no cupping. I will be leaving these on for the winter to see how many miles I can get out of them.
I think if you get 15,000 miles out of a set of tires on the 1800 you are doing good. I have only had the bike a little over a year, others with more experience may give you better info.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby 2manywings » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:47 pm

Well, I wouldn't look for a lot more out of a set of E-3s with 12,000 miles on them.
As for going to the "Darkside", do your homework. It's a very well publicized topic on the net. I switched early this year and I love it. So many pluses and no negatives as far as I'm concerned. Here's why I decided to switch. I've had every model GL ever made and still have them (at least one of every model), and up until last season had been riding the GL1500 that I bought new in '93, and of all of the different models, I've never seen one that burns through tires like the 1800s. I decided to upgrade to an 1800 last year, so with a tear in my eye, I parted ways with my beloved 1500. My new to me 1800 was in need of tires, so I started to research, and wasn't impressed with the claimed mileages that most 1800 riders were getting. I change a lot of GL tires and had been seeing 1800 tires not lasting 10,000 ,miles on a regular basis and MANY were worn out much sooner than that. I had heard of the Darkside, but that was about it. I have one friend that has been "Darkside" for several years, and being a "Patriot Guard Rider", he rides a lot year round (weather permitting). So with his valued opinion and what I had read, I went that route also. I even went "Double Dark". The bike is smoother and quieter, feels more stable, has a higher weight capacity, run flat technology, and you don't feel the tar snakes at all. There is a difference in the feel, but I got over that in the first day.
I understand the concern about the legal thing, but without being reckless, I don't let fear dictate my life. If I did, I would have thrown in the towel long ago.
"Now please understand" I'm not promoting this, I'm just telling of my experiences. I'd suggest that you do your research and maybe talk to the members of your chapter that have switched to get their take on the move, because I know all of them personally (and assisted in the switch), and they are ALL very responsible people who would not do this if they felt the slightest chance of risk to themselves, others or their machines. Good luck in your decision and call me if you want to talk... You've got my #

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby themainviking » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:43 pm

Darksiders are claiming lots more mileage on their car tires than we seem to be getting on out motorcycle tires, but it is a very personal decision. My 2009 came with Dunlop D250s, and I got 16K miles on them before a change was necessary. I replaced them with D250s and got 16K miles on the replacements. I then put on a set of Avon Cobra tires. I loved how smooth they were. They ran down the road like glass - and lasted 8,000 miles before I had a belt separation. I had to fight like hell with Avon to get them to honor the warranty. They asked for pictures and then said it looked like uneven tread wear, so I had to ship the tire back to my dealer, who shipped it to the distributor, who shipped it to Avon, who then warranteed the tire. I put D250s back on, as they had done better than the Avons. Avon, in the mean time has changed the composition of their 180/60R-16 to handle more weight, for the Goldwing GL1800 motorcycle. I am planning on keeping my eyes open for problems with the new Avon Cobra AV72 rear tire, and in future I may try it again, if no problems are reported on the web. The E3 Dunlops are, I believe, a tad softer than my D250 tires are, so I would not expect you to get more than the 16K miles from them that I got from my D250s. I ride fairly aggressively so I do not expect really high mileage. Many are replacing E3s with E3s because they are happy with them. I would have Michelins if they made them for this bike.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby newday777 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:55 pm

My 08 had Bridgestones on it when I bought it in June this year, I flew to NH to purchase it there and see family and friends, PO said they had @ 2,000-3,000 on them. I headed out 3 weeks later having put on 2,000 in NH and ME and then rode to WI where I spent 3 weeks with my grandsons and put on a Yokohama ROF and love it. The front Bridgestone, I was not happy with as it felt tar snakes and made it feel as though it was going to wash out in corners, I stretched it until I immediately got back here to SoCal after putting 11,000 on it just getting back here, it was thin on tread and minor cupping(both stones were running dynabeads and kept at 38-40 psi front, 42-44 psi rear, Yoko kept at 36-38 psi) so all total on the Stones were rear- 7,000-8,000, front- 13,000-14,000. I like to play hard. Plus the trip back involved towing an Aspen Sentry camper.
I put on a new Michelin Commander II (bias 130/70-16) and have been loving it these past 2,500 miles, lots of twisties to ride here in the mountains, and it sticks very well.
I have not run the E3 radials nor do I plan to as I have seen them wear as bad as the Bias E3 on my 1500. The last set I ran were toast at 10,000 miles.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby frostypop » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:30 pm

i just replaced my E3s with E3s i had about 12000 miles on them, but i went just a little to far because the rear had just a few threads showing. i had put the 70 series on the back last time so my speedo would be right, well this time around the mechanic told me that the 70 series doesnt have the same weight capacity as the stock 60 series does. so i looked it up on dunlops web site and sure enough it has an 80 pound less weight capacity appr. so this is another thing we need to be aware of when looking for tires. plus on dunlops site it says the stock rear tire has a dual compond now saying it is suppose to improve mileage. we will see. i ride 2 up most times and sometimes pull a trailer. if you got 16k on the tire thats pretty good. one other thing my old tires i had dyna beads in, this time just balanced. 8-)

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Flyn Tiger » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:05 pm

02 GL 1800 I have run one set of Dunlop E 3's and one set of Bridgestones Exedra's. Got 17,000 out of the Dunlops with a mixture of riding while I made a 7000 mile trip over 14 states with a lot of straight line riding on the Bridgestones and pushed it to get 12,000 miles out of them. The Bridgestones feel softer and sticker in the turns compared to the Dunlop's although I never had a problem with the Dunlop tire sticking in the turns. In wet conditions I give a slight nod to the Bridgestones over the Dunlop. Same with tar snakes in the hot summer. Cupping and noise was less noticeable on the Dunlop. Mileage much better on the Dunlop. Currently looking at trying a set of Avon Cobras but seriously looking at going to the darkside with a CT on the rear. I ride almost daily and it seems I am always needing tires, so I am looking at give one a try. I was using dynabeads but have changed to RideOn which I have been very impressed with. As for air pressure, I run 41 rear, 36 front mainly one up and no trailer.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby pwjohnson041 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:30 am

With 12,000 miles it's probably time to seriously look at the Christmas sales.

Put your bike up on center stand and check all the way around the rear tire for the wear indicator. Also, check the front tire for what is by 12K becoming a serious wear pattern (called cupping) all the way around the tire just off-center.

A lot of 1800 riders like the Bridgestone G709/G704 combo, which you can get a deal on when buying a set, but like was said previously it's all a personal choice. I like the Bridgestones. On this last set I changed the rear at about 12.5K and am at almost 19K on the front and nearing changing it.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby canuck623 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:12 am

I got 18000 out of two sets of EIII's and 15K on my first set of Bridgestones. The new EIII MT compound is (according to a Dunlop rep) get into the 20 - 25K range. That would be nice and make the front and rear tire wear out about the same time. I always replace in pairs and hate throwing away so much front tire when the rear is done. If the range estimates are correct the $ per mile cost would be about the same between the Stones and Dunlop.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby 2008retiredplb » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:25 pm

I had the original D250's on my 2009 wing that I run right at 20,000 miles before changing to Bridgestone's that I run 16,000 miles, still had some miles left on the D250's, but changed them because I was on the beginning of a 3,700 mile trip. Then Changed them before going on a 2,000 mile trip They easily had a 1,000 or more miles left on them when I changed them. But I did not want to have trouble on the road riding two up and pulling a trailer. One thing that I think made a lot of difference was the Centramatic Balancers I installed at 7,000 miles. Not only that they made the bike handle a lot better. The Bridgestone's grip the road much better in wet weather and are quieter than the E 3's that I had on my 2001wing.
On a total different subject. The private shop I had change the last set of tires, caused over $700 damage to the wheels by breaking both factory TPMS monitors and gouging the rear wheel so bad that I had to replace the wheel. Then tried to tell me the broken TPMS monitors and wheel gouges were on the bike when I came in to his shop. (I was standing near their tire machine when this all happened and watched them do the damage) I am now taking them to court to get the damages paid for. After that incident I have decided to take photos of the bike in close detail before going to any shop or go over the bike with the shop like they do when you rent a car, and have them sign a statement that no damage was on the bike before they start work. That way if something is damaged they will have no way getting out of paying for repairing the damage they did.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby canuck623 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:01 pm

That's sad about the shop doing all that damage. Good luck. I don't as a rule take my bike to the shop. I prefer to do all my own work. As for tires I remove the wheels and just take them in. That way I know it is put together correctly as well.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby brenniac » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:54 pm

I'm using Dunlop E3s on my 2006. The original D250s lasted only about 8k miles. Since then I've tried Dunlop E3, Avon and Bridgestone tires. I keep coming back to the E3s because they feel a lot more comfortable in curves. I am enthusiastic (not overly aggressive) on twisty roads. The Dunlops just seem to give me better grip in the curves. I get about 16-18k miles on a set which is suspiciously close to the number of miles I ride each year. I change them in pairs and usually pick up a set during the Christmas sales so they are on hand and I don't have to wait for delivery when I really need them. It also saves a few bucks. That and an investment in a solid jack so you can drop the wheels yourself and have a shop replace the rubber when needed.

You can also inspect and replace your brake pads while you're in there which can also save you down time and extra expense.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Peteswing » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:11 pm

Myself I am done with the E3s I can't get 8000 miles out of them. I am a Darksider and that may be the problem the E3s they just don't work well with car tires. I will be switching to Bridgestone 701 or the Battlax other darksiders are getting 18,000 to 20,000 out of these tires. I have gone threw 1 E3 and 1 E3 elite less then 8000 out of them. Bridgestones are 100 bucks cheaper by the set.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Flyn Tiger » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:50 pm

I just put on a new E3 on the front and got almost 15K out of it. Darksiders are putting a Bridgestone Battleax BT45 on the front which is a sport/touring rear tire and claiming to get 25-30,000 mile out of it. May try that next on the front. As for the rear I want to go dark but heck all the tires that folks were using are not made anymore unless you run a 195/55/16 which messes up the speedo. A 185/65 or 185/ 70 or a 175/70 would be great but you can't find those tires anymore. Currently looking for a 195/60 or 65 which would true up the speedo pretty close but I also don't want a 8 ply taxi car tire. If anyone hears of a good tire in that size (the 195/65 or 60) let me know. Guess until then I'll stick with the E3's.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Garry Euler » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:27 am

On my 02 I got 18k plus with Bridgestones and always got 19-22k with dunlop e-3's ran that bike to 166k miles.....Now on my 08 bag model its a different story Bridgstn get 15k and there shot, got 17plus on E-3's...Am currently on new e-3's again as no matter what i do I can't get anymore than 15K out of a bridgstn..This bike has 107 K miles and centramatics...It is what it is I suppose,looking forward to a new Metzler for the wing that should be released soon after 2014 comes in.....Happy New Year to all....

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby canuck623 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:21 am

Yeah 15K is all I got on my last set of Stones. I put a new set of Stones on a month ago because quite frankly the price was great. Installed was 280.00 out the door. A dealer her was running a promotion. When these are done I will go back to E III's The Stones are smooth on the highways but I don't like the transitions in and out of tight turns with them. The Dunlops feel far more stable.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Fatwing Chris » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:27 am

I loved the bias E3's that I ran on the 12 and 1500 but these radial E3's on my 1800 I really don't like in the wet.Going Darkside rear and Bridgestone front when these E3's are done.Actually I'll be going Darkside as soon as I get the bike out as I already bought a spare rim with a CT mounted.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby canuck623 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:02 pm

That's too bad. This is just my opinion but you are far safer on a motorcycle tire than a car tire. A car tire on it's side in a turn has less rubber on the road. There is a very well done comparison on this site. Look it up and give it a read.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Flyn Tiger » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:46 pm

@ Fatwing Chris, what rear car tire are you putting on, what size and where are you getting it? Looking at going dark and all the tires I am interested in are no longer made. Need your input.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:28 am

canuck623 wrote:That's too bad. This is just my opinion but you are far safer on a motorcycle tire than a car tire. A car tire on it's side in a turn has less rubber on the road. There is a very well done comparison on this site. Look it up and give it a read.


I've read just about every thing on darksiding an 1800 since I picked mine up this past June.I was on the fence untill I talked to a buddy of mine about it.This buddy has logged a ton of miles on Wings,retired paramedic(seen more than his share of bike accidents),his wife a retired ER nurse(she's seen her share also) and owns his own skid school.He has 2 bikes right now.A Wing and a Shadow,both with CT's on the back.He won't ever go back to a MT.You think either of them would be riding the Darkside knowing what they know if they didn't think it was safe.
Bob also has a Youtube video(cam focused on the rear tire)running a fairly twisty road pretty hard near his house that you might want to check out.You'd be surprised how much rubber is on the road.
Ct's definitely not for everyone but from what I've read and seen there are more MT failures than CT's.At the end of the day it's your choice obviously.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:35 pm

The contact patch looks awfully small when leaned over in corners...
















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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby canuck623 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:17 pm

Fatwing Chris wrote:
canuck623 wrote:That's too bad. This is just my opinion but you are far safer on a motorcycle tire than a car tire. A car tire on it's side in a turn has less rubber on the road. There is a very well done comparison on this site. Look it up and give it a read.


I've read just about every thing on darksiding an 1800 since I picked mine up this past June.I was on the fence untill I talked to a buddy of mine about it.This buddy has logged a ton of miles on Wings,retired paramedic(seen more than his share of bike accidents),his wife a retired ER nurse(she's seen her share also) and owns his own skid school.He has 2 bikes right now.A Wing and a Shadow,both with CT's on the back.He won't ever go back to a MT.You think either of them would be riding the Darkside knowing what they know if they didn't think it was safe.
Bob also has a Youtube video(cam focused on the rear tire)running a fairly twisty road pretty hard near his house that you might want to check out.You'd be surprised how much rubber is on the road.
Ct's definitely not for everyone but from what I've read and seen there are more MT failures than CT's.At the end of the day it's your choice obviously.


Yeah well I will stick to the actual engineering proof rather than trust the seat time of a friend to keep me safe. The fact is the contact patch is smaller and that's just the tip of the iceberg as for what changes when you lean a CT into a turn. The motorcycle tire radius allows the axle center point to remain constant during a turn. Because you have to actually force the CT over it "lifts" the bike in the rear changing all the geometry that took millions of $$ to design. This "lift also slightly changes your steering head angle making it harder to turn the bars. Honda spent millions on the engineering and tire selection for this bike. There isn't ONE car tire company that has spent even one penny engineering a tire for a motorcycle. Why? Because it is not recommended and the insurance companies would not underwrite the testing. Read the report.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Red Ron » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:30 pm

Yeah well I will stick to the actual engineering proof rather than trust the seat time of a friend to keep me safe. The fact is the contact patch is smaller and that's just the tip of the iceberg as for what changes when you lean a CT into a turn. The motorcycle tire radius allows the axle center point to remain constant during a turn. Because you have to actually force the CT over it "lifts" the bike in the rear changing all the geometry that took millions of $$ to design. This "lift also slightly changes your steering head angle making it harder to turn the bars. Honda spent millions on the engineering and tire selection for this bike. There isn't ONE car tire company that has spent even one penny engineering a tire for a motorcycle. Why? Because it is not recommended and the insurance companies would not underwrite the testing. Read the report.

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Since you want the engineering:
1. Have you seen how thick the sidewalls are on Run-flat tires?
2. MC tires for the wing are usually engineered for a weight limit of 800-900 lb. Most car tires used for the wing are 1300 to 1400. Half of a wing is 450, 2 riders add another 350 at least, gear another 50, not to mention the added torque on the tire if a trailer is pulled. Of course the wing isn't engineered to pull a trailer either according to Honda.

Remember once upon a time people thought the world was flat. There are over 3,000 people using car tires on the wing on just one forum that I know of and many more on others and countless others who are not on forums. But the bottom line is that each rider must do what makes he/she feel safe.

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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby canuck623 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:58 pm

Red Ron wrote:Read more: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18900#ixzz2pMwKWuXP

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Since you want the engineering:
1. Have you seen how thick the sidewalls are on Run-flat tires?
2. MC tires for the wing are usually engineered for a weight limit of 800-900 lb. Most car tires used for the wing are 1300 to 1400. Half of a wing is 450, 2 riders add another 350 at least, gear another 50, not to mention the added torque on the tire if a trailer is pulled. Of course the wing isn't engineered to pull a trailer either according to Honda.

Remember once upon a time people thought the world was flat. There are over 3,000 people using car tires on the wing on just one forum that I know of and many more on others and countless others who are not on forums. But the bottom line is that each rider must do what makes he/she feel safe.


I still don't see any engineering that validates the use of a car tire on a motorcycle. I am talking about a specific test or series of tests that determine with specifications and numbers that say it's ok and is approved by the motorcycle manufacturer. It doesn't exist so do loose any sleep looking for it. Your argument is ridiculous. A car tire up on it's side wall with a fraction of the tire in contact with the ground can no longer be rated at 1300 or 1400 pounds. More like 300 or less.
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Re: Gold Wing tires

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:00 pm

WingAdmin wrote:The contact patch looks awfully small when leaned over in corners...

















How much contact would there be on a completely rounded tire like a MT?I'll bet it's pretty small also.Maybe someone has a similar vid of a bike tire.


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