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gps updates

Postby william2700 » Sun May 02, 2010 10:55 am



Does anybody know where I have to go to get some updated for the gps sytem on these bikes. I have a 2007, 1800 goldwing and last weekend I tried to use the gps and when I tied to punch in the address it wouldn't recognize the address and brought up an address which I thought might have been just down the road because everything was the same except the street # , I wanted 700 but it would only bring up 498 for some reason. Well im glad we were not on a schedule because it had us on the opposite side of town, on a street that was about a 100 yards long in a residetial area ,too make a long story short NOT EVEN CLOSE . After going old school and asking for directions (which wasn't easy we where in quebec and I dont speek french) we made our way accross town and found our destination.
I don't know if I'm doing somthing wrong but my gps in all my other vehicles work much better and easier. Another thing how do you shut her off without shutting the bike off she just keeps on giving directions even when there the wrong ones. :evil: :oops: :roll:



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Re: gps updates

Postby gareva1 » Sun May 02, 2010 6:00 pm

2009 is the newest you can get for an 07 bike...they changed the map type in the 2010 bikes and garmin quit selling updates for the older bikes...

Here's a how-to:

http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171213

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Re: gps updates

Postby tfdeputydawg » Sun May 02, 2010 7:11 pm

Garmin is now supporting the 06 to 08 Nav also:
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID ... versionTab
This will not, however, prevent occurances such as you discribe! About all it does is include updated info that has been reported since the last update.
Mine refuses to acknowledge several State Highways and major roads I am on while showing approaching intersections of county roads or what I call "cattle paths"
I have discovered, for what ever reason, when I am shown to be riding in the middle of a field on my map screen, if I zoom in closer, all of a sudden, I am on a road again and it is identified!!!!

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Re: gps updates

Postby william2700 » Mon May 03, 2010 7:57 am

Well this makes me feel a little better I thought my lack of technical skills might have caused the traveling trouble , instead its the machine . I'm glad I can blame the tool and not the man. :lol:

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Re: gps updates

Postby Grover » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:29 am

Be aware that the latest CF update card from Honda that they call there "2010" update is actually CNNA 2009. This map is made from data way back in April of 2008. Garmin has stopped producing the non-NT version of the database file that we need in order to update our units that use CF cards.
(The NT version is currently at 2011.20 and appears to be updated quarterly.)
It is much less expensive (at least in Canada) to buy the dvd from Garmin and make your own card than to purchase the card pre-made form Garmin or Honda.

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Re: gps updates

Postby mobe » Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:44 pm

Are we saying that all we have to do is buy the 2010 Update and burn it to a CF card and that will work on our 2008 bikes??


Thanks, Mobe

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Re: gps updates

Postby Grover » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:49 am

If you buy this update card from Honda, it is ready to work by replacing your existing card.

You could also buy the dvd from Garmin or resellers and make you own card. Just be sure that it is the non-NT version of CNNA 2009. This method may save you a few dollars.

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Re: gps updates

Postby gildco » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:08 am

I just finished talking with a Garmin rep who told me that the newest update for my 2008 GL1800 air bag is expected anytime now for the CF card. He also said that Garmin's contract with Honda calls for updates until 2016. So, keep checking the Garmin Website for Gold Wing updates.

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Re: gps updates

Postby chrisgl1800 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:03 am

I just wanted all to know...this guy sells the upgrades for all the years of Honda GPS's.
Quinton Grubbs <q.grubbs@cox.net>
Here is what he sent me when I asked him about my 2009 gl1800 system:


Thank you for your inquiry concerning the maps for the GL1800.

I sell a 2GB SD card with Garmin's City Navigator North America NT 2011.20 (US, Canada & Mexico) pre-programmed unlocked for the 2009-2010 GL1800 for $39.99+$1.75 shipping=$41.74

I ship daily via USPS with Delivery Confirmation. I guarantee the maps/card, if dissatisfied return for a full refund.

To order, please Pay Pal $41.74 to my email address. I also accept USPS or Walmart Money Orders.

I have not ordered mine yet, but it sounds like a much better deal than $149.00!!
[and no I am not associated with him], I just wanted to share the savings...no idea how good this is.....
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Re: gps updates

Postby themainviking » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:03 am

I agree with you Chris and thank you all for this interesting and informative thread. It is exactly what I was looking for when I began to look at the Nav system. I only got this bike yesterday and was a bit disappointed in the lack of free updates for it. It is a brand new 2009 and in my not so humble opinion, it should at least have updates for three months from purchase date. That is what I got when I bought a Tom Tom. So, $40 is much more to my liking than $150. I am going to order the card for $40, and will let this thread know how it turns out.

As I am coming from a line of Harleys to this bike, I have to say it is a bit of a different riding experience, lol.

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Re: gps updates

Postby gildco » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:50 am

As an bit of information some of you might find useful, my 2008 GL1800 Navigator has and requires the CF card; the SD card will not work in it, according to the Garmin rep. So, fellow bikers, ensure that you know which type of card you have before you buy a new one from any vendor.

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Re: gps updates

Postby chrisgl1800 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:51 am

Yes..please let us know how it works. I too am coming from a Harley, and am having to learn stuff all over again. Good riding
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Re: gps updates

Postby Keyboard » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:49 pm

gildco wrote:As an bit of information some of you might find useful, my 2008 GL1800 Navigator has and requires the CF card; the SD card will not work in it, according to the Garmin rep. So, fellow bikers, ensure that you know which type of card you have before you buy a new one from any vendor.

The 2009 and 2010 GL1800's uses the SD card. 2006-2008 uses the CF card.
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Re: gps updates

Postby expplane » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:43 pm

I got a new update for my 2008 Goldwing from Garmin about a month ago.

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Re: gps updates

Postby gildco » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:27 am

The Garmin rep with whom I spoke said that he has been telling Gold Wing folks since August that a new version will be out soon, but that it still has not been released as of September 30th. His advice was to keep checking the Garmin site. The available update ($149) that is listed on the Garmin site will be replaced by this new version.

I shall keep checking the site for the new version and, when it becomes available, let folks know about it. I rather hold off spending the $149 or so until the newest version is ready because my years of using Garmin GPSs (StreetPilot III and Nuvi 755) taught me that most of the changes in maps did not signficantly affect my travels.

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Re: gps updates

Postby themainviking » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:59 pm

Canadian Honda Goldwing owners - does anyone know what mapping data is on the 2010 update that Honda says they have available - Part number 39250-MCA-L20 priced at $258.50 on a CF card. They say it is a 2010 Upgrade CF mapping card, and they claim it is applicable to 2006 to current GL1800 navigation systems. It is on service bulletin 10-003 dated 21 January, 2010.
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Re: gps updates

Postby Grover » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:09 pm

themainviking wrote:Canadian Honda Goldwing owners - does anyone know what mapping data is on the 2010 update that Honda says they have available - Part number 39250-MCA-L20 priced at $258.50 on a CF card. They say it is a 2010 Upgrade CF mapping card, and they claim it is applicable to 2006 to current GL1800 navigation systems. It is on service bulletin 10-003 dated 21 January, 2010.


I have checked this update. It is CNNA 2009. Not much new as this map data has been available since spring of 2008 from Garmin on dvd. It is only new to Honda. I'm very disappointed in how long it takes them to get 'new' updates available to their customers. Garmin has released at least 6 map updates since then, but not in the non-NT format that we need.

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Re: gps updates

Postby Grover » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:22 pm

Keyboard wrote:
gildco wrote:As an bit of information some of you might find useful, my 2008 GL1800 Navigator has and requires the CF card; the SD card will not work in it, according to the Garmin rep. So, fellow bikers, ensure that you know which type of card you have before you buy a new one from any vendor.

The 2009 and 2010 GL1800's uses the SD card. 2006-2008 uses the CF card.



Just so everyone is aware, the US bikes have a different module in the trunk for '09 and '10 that uses a SD card and the NT versions of the map data. The Canadian bikes still use the original module that uses the CF card and require the non-NT version of the map data..

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Re: gps updates

Postby themainviking » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:12 pm

Grover wrote:Just so everyone is aware, the US bikes have a different module in the trunk for '09 and '10 that uses a SD card and the NT versions of the map data. The Canadian bikes still use the original module that uses the CF card and require the non-NT version of the map data..


Yes, this is correct, and I have a letter in to Honda both through my dealership and directly to Honda Canada accusing them of product dumping because the older modules cannot be updated beyond what is already in the 2009, which is 2007 mapping data. Or maybe they can, to that new 2010 update, which is still two year old data, so a 2009 bike, sold brand new today, needs the $260 update to make it less obsolete. 2009 bikes are still being sold brand new at the dealerships, so this is not an acceptable practice by Honda Inc. I guess next I will have to find out if there is anything by the way of a consumer protection act here in Canada.

Update to this: The 2010 Canadian bikes are also CF card units. I did receive a communique from Honda as follows:

Hello Mr. Xxxxx

The Garmin navigation system installed on your motorcycle requires a
specific updated card developed for the Canadian spec units, and not the
type available for purchase from Garmin directly.

As such, we would suggest to check the version and part number as they are
inscribed on the card located in the trunk of your Goldwing. Most probably,
you will require to purchase the latest updated version that was made
available at the beginning of this year. You can order it from any Honda
motorcycle dealership(part# 39250-MCA-L20).

Philip Ofenberg
HONDA CANADA INC.

My Note: This by the way IS the $258.50 Update card that I referred to above. I don't know for sure what is on it, but the indications are that it is NOT 2009 mapping software as it was released in January 2010, so I would think that it is probably what my 2009 wing came with, or possibly what the 2010 wings came with up here.
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Re: gps updates

Postby themainviking » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:23 am

Grover wrote:Just so everyone is aware, the US bikes have a different module in the trunk for '09 and '10 that uses a SD card and the NT versions of the map data. The Canadian bikes still use the original module that uses the CF card and require the non-NT version of the map data..


Hmmm. I was just looking at the information on 2009 Goldwings on the US honda site, and it stated that the 2009 had a CF card based Navi system. Any U.S. market 2009 Goldwing owners out there who can verify or deny this? Thanks either way.
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Re: gps updates

Postby Keyboard » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:01 pm

What site had that info? Is it an official Honda site? I just checked the honda site here, and it didn't mention what type of card the NAVI uses. However, I have a 2010 and a friend has a 2009. Both of us have the SD card.

EDIT: I found where the CF card is mentioned at this site.The 2010 site also says the NAVI has a CF card-based system. It's an oversight on Honda's part, because it is definitely not true for both years. The 2009 and 2010 US models have a SD card-based navigation system.
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Re: gps updates

Postby themainviking » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:41 pm

Keyboard wrote:What site had that info? Is it an official Honda site? I just checked the honda site here, and it didn't mention what type of card the NAVI uses. However, I have a 2010 and a friend has a 2009. Both of us have the SD card.

EDIT: I found where the CF card is mentioned at this site.The 2010 site also says the NAVI has a CF card-based system. It's an oversight on Honda's part, because it is definitely not true for both years. The 2009 and 2010 US models have a SD card-based navigation system.


Thank you very much for this info. I have turned the CF card thing over to the Canadian governments Competition Bureau as a "dumping" of old stock, and they are checking into it, mainly on the update restrictions. I doubt if it will do anything for us Canadians who bought 2009 and 2010 bikes with the old stock GPS and Stereo units in them, but at least Honda may discover that we aren't all stupid up here. We do know what they are doing. I would have bought the bike anyway, but I really hate it when I think a company is trying to pull the wool over my eyes, or blow smoke you know where, lol.
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Re: gps updates

Postby gildco » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:39 pm

When I talked with a Garmin rep a couple of weeks ago, I got the same old story: Garmin is waiting for the necessary data from Honda for providing the 2010 version of the mapware. Today I called the Honda motorcycle division and talked with Carlos. He said that the latest upgrade mapping information is already available for 2009 and 2010 Goldwings, but it is on a SD card. Hence, Garmin had the information needed to transfer the latest upgrade information to a CF card that my 2008 Goldwing requires. (2009 & 2010 Goldwings use a SD card; earlier models use the CF card.)

I told Carlos that Garmin seems to be passing the buck to Honda, and now Honda seems to be passing the buck back to Garmin. However, Carlos' argument (in this case) makes more sense: that Garmin makes the software that Honda's nav systems use, and, therefore, Garmin has the responsibility and tools to transfer the data used on SD cards to CF cards. In any case, I asked if that indeed is the case, then Honda use its muscle to press Garmin to make available CF cards for our bikes. After all, we have invested a lot of money in Goldwings and expect Honda to support us.

Carlos said that he would share our conversation with his manager and ask him to put some pressure on Garmin; early next week, I will get a phone call describing what action (or lack of action) we Goldwingers can expect. I shall keep this forum updated. Incidentally, your calling Honda (866-784-1870) would help put some needed pressure on Honda to flex its muscle, so make some time to call Honda's motorcycle division and ask what Honda can do to help us customers. There IS power in numbers, so exercise that power through a phone call (toll-free). We want an updated CF card as much as we want the buck to stop being passed between Garmin and Honda. Does all that fancy verbiage from Honda touting its customer service really mean anything? We shall see.

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Re: gps updates

Postby themainviking » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:43 am

gildco wrote:<snip> talked with Carlos. He said that the latest upgrade mapping information is already available for 2009 and 2010 Goldwings, but it is on a SD card. Hence, Garmin had the information needed to transfer the latest upgrade information to a CF card that my 2008 Goldwing requires. (2009 & 2010 Goldwings use a SD card; earlier models use the CF card.)

gildco


From my reading of all the foregoing posts and talks with many people, it isn't quite that cut and dried. The mapping info on the SD cards is in the newer NT format, which is not compatible with our CF card challenged systems. I hope that what you have requested of folks helps, but fear it won't. Garmin themselves have ceased using the pre NT format in their own GPS stable, so the likelyhood of Honda using enough muscle to have them revert is slim, if not non existant. But I will make the call, and I will hope along with everyone else.

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Re: gps updates

Postby gildco » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:54 am

Yes, you are indeed right about the changing technology making our situations not as cut-and-dried as perhaps I have made it seem because my technical knowledge is limited. However, I think that I am correct in assuming that most of us are concerned about Nav systems on our bikes becoming obsolescent and just want an update, irrespective of the technological steps that Garmin or Honda must take to get us there. If an update will not be available for our older bikes, every year that passes will increasingly make our map data less and less useful. If the NT technology cannot be used for updating our CF cards, I would be willing to update the hardware to accommodate the software, primarily because I am rely on my GPS systems. That being my case, I really don't care if Garmin or Honda provides us users with a fix as long as we have a viable option that we can choose for keeping our systems up-to-date. Garmin and Honda are respectable companies; surely they can work together to focus on us, customers for both of them. Make sense?




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