Reverse on 1800


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Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:01 am



I have a 2002 GL1800. When I put it into reverse, it clicks and barely moves backward, then sometimes does fine when I push the button. Any thoughts? :?:



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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby Big Blue UK » Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:28 pm

I had this happen one day early last summer, pushed the rev switch in and it just clicked, same thing happened when I next pushed the starter, 3 times, it was as if the battery was dead. The on board volt/ammeter showed over 12v and they did not drop when I pressed the starter and got a click. I slowly and gently pushed the start button but not all the way in, when it made contact instead of clicking it started. I switched off, back on hit the start and it clicked, I gently pushed the starter again but not all the way in until it made contact and it started. At the time I asked myself-

If it was a bad switch contact, why could I hear the relays switching.
It was not battery wiring because I had recently replaced them when I fitted a car battery in the boot.
I knew it was not the starter.
I figured it must have been some sort of momentary contact at the starter switch (as if I pushed the starter button in very fast and released it so all I would get was a click from the relays)
Nothing else seemed to make sense.

For several days I was gentle with the starter switch and it never happened again. I am not sure if I have since been subconsciously gentle with the starter, or I was too heavy handed with the starter, but it has not happened since. I could later go out and just hit the starter to see if it clicks, but I have a feeling it will not, because if it was because of putting too much force on the starter, I reckon I should have inadvertently or by chance done it at least once.

If it happened again I would probably look at the starter switch

Apart from the above, I have had switch problems on the hazard, fog, and cruise on, on my 2002 1800 that has seen rain less times than I have fingers, that were present and developed at less than 8,000 miles when I bought it just over 12 months ago. That is 4 more switch problems than I had riding 1500's for over 30 years.

I was so fed up of the hazard and fog switches working whenever they left like it, I removed them and was so impressed with the quality, I decided to pay 125 quid for another switch assembly the day I get my Inland Revenue and Customs exemption certificate, and swiftly threw them in the bin. I fitted reliable switches for about 2 quid.


If my problem starts again and turns out to be the starter switch, guess who will be ripping the wires out and fitting something like this.


Ok anything can go wrong, but on a £25.000 Honda GoldWing, it should not be because of cheap as chips.
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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby PastoT » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:50 pm

I have an 02 also and the switch lube is often the issue in the 1800s as a whole. The lube collects dust and becomes a hardening mass that insulates the contacts. The lube freezes up in the winter and does the same thing. Our reverse toggle and starter switches both have two sets of contacts and occasionally just need a good cleaning. Disassembly of these switches stinks and its easy to have small things fly out never to be found so my first option is a spray bottle of contact/tuner cleaning spray (radio shack). I drench the switch as best can around the switch itself without pulling things apart and work the switches over and over. It has been said switches that are used often work resist gumming up far longer. Figures my hazard lights switch was one I recently used and had to fiddle with to turn them off; I rarely if ever have used that switch! I've also heard warming the switches with a hair dryer sometimes helps soften the switch lube.
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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby Big Blue UK » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:33 am

Hi Pasto. I tried that, the problem with my hazard/fog switches were they would not stay in, I took them apart and cleaned them out, and used a thin film of dielectric grease, and there were no improvements. For the size of the switch itself I was surprised at the flimsy design of the bent pin rotating round that tiny plastic cam. Excess switch cleaner I feel will wash away lubricant that the switch is designed to need, that could have happened many years ago. spray oil or grease may just attract dust and dirt.

Because switch problems seem to be few and far between, it may not be the design at all, and certainly not because of wear and tear. If a tiny minority of GoldWings have had switch problems when all others are happy as Larry. Then Honda should show some hubris and say 'you must have had a sub standard/faulty switch fitted, here is a replacement switch to fit or have fitted yourself'. Not 125 quid for the complete switch unit just to replace the sub standard/faulty hazard switch. It would probably cost Honda 50p for just a hazard switch that is essential for MOT. It is a Goldwing, not a badge dropping off a Honda 50.
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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby Big Blue UK » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:10 am

No word from buff yet, must have been either a one off or the actuator, and he is still putting it back together.
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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:54 pm

lubed, no change, not sure how to check gap on cables, RM still a little vague on procedure. still no joy

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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby wingboy02 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:17 pm

I just had the whole right control unit (starter, reverse) and the hazard button assembly replaced (OEM) for $350.00 +/-. The control unit was $165.00 and the hazard assembly $185.00 but after trying the above mentioned possible fixes I decided to go with new and had my mechanic install them. My bike is a 02 with 98,000 miles on it and if I can get another 12 years and 98,000 miles out of it, well then money well spent. LOL :)

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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:15 am

Still having intermittent problem,but seems to be getting better.I think maybe the starter solenoids have gotten weak. There are two of them, so I may just try that.

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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:15 am

Now it will start one second and not the next!!! :evil:

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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby Ghostman » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:49 am


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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:19 pm

Changed solenoids. Starts fine now, but reverse is still erratic.

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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Wed May 13, 2015 2:08 pm

Replaced solenoids and everything worked fine for about a week. Went on 640 mile ride and when I returned, reverse solenoid has stuck .So it is replacement time again. Such is life. :D

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Re: Reverse on 1800

Postby buffdaddy55 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:32 am

>:( Now , in the seemingly never ending saga: after changing both A and B solenoid and the system worked flawlessly for a 5 day trip to Savannah, it started againn but this time with the starter not shutting off after I got home. Finally got it stopped, then it wanted to go into reverse without the rev system engaged, After thinking the B solenoid went bad, I replaced it (again) and no change until recently. I would put it into rev and when I tried it it would start to go and then stop. No rev light no nothing. I could stop and start again with same result. I put everything back together this morning and tried it. It seemed that after engaging reverse, it would start to move then stop, Rev light went out and nothing, the same cycle all over again. At least everything will shut off now when I turn the key off but reverse will no longer function. Ideas? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?-( ?-( ?-( ?-(




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