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which oil

Postby redave46 » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:14 pm



Serious question, is supermarket oil any good for a wing? It has the same viscosity, is above an API of SJ or higher and is probably half the price of say Castrol or Motul, is there really that much difference?



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Re: which oil

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:21 pm

Do you seriously want to find out, risking the engine of your $20,000+ motorcycle, in order to save a few dollars?

Oil is the lifeblood of your engine, and is what protects it from wear, and for the most part, determines its longevity. It is not the place to economize.

Apart from this, many commonly-available automotive oils contain friction modifiers, which will not do your clutch much good.

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Re: which oil

Postby Steve F » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:18 pm

WingAdmin wrote:Do you seriously want to find out, risking the engine of your $20,000+ motorcycle, in order to save a few dollars?

Oil is the lifeblood of your engine, and is what protects it from wear, and for the most part, determines its longevity. It is not the place to economize.

Apart from this, many commonly-available automotive oils contain friction modifiers, which will do your clutch much harm.
Fixed it for ya. Stay with the motorcycle specific oils designed for wet clutches! Can't stress that enough.
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Re: which oil

Postby 702scottc » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:42 pm

You definitely don't want to put any store brand oil in your bike, or your car for that matter. It will meet the specs typically because they overload the base stocks with additives. If you are looking for a less expensive alternative use either Shell Rotella or Chevron Delo 400, 15w40. Or pony up the extra 5 bucks for Castrol 4t motorcycle oil. Either way, don't put unbranded oil in anything..

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Re: which oil

Postby redave46 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:47 am

Thanks all, it was an exercise to see what people thought and I found out. I'll carry on using Castrol as I do in both of my bikes!

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Re: which oil

Postby mrtwowheel » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:53 am

I use Castrol GTX 10W40 because that was considered "motorcycle oil" for many years. I use it in all of my Hondas, they were probably designed and tested with it. Some of the other viscosities of GTX have friction modifiers, bad for our clutches, GTX 10W40 was spared the changes because it is motorcycle oil. 5 qt. jugs at Walmart are much cheaper than buying it by the quart. Walmart 10W40 Tech oil is not supposed to be bad stuff, just change it often.

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Re: which oil

Postby redave46 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:28 am

mrtwowheel wrote:I use Castrol GTX 10W40 because that was considered "motorcycle oil" for many years. I use it in all of my Hondas, they were probably designed and tested with it. Some of the other viscosities of GTX have friction modifiers, bad for our clutches, GTX 10W40 was spared the changes because it is motorcycle oil. 5 qt. jugs at Walmart are much cheaper than buying it by the quart. Walmart 10W40 Tech oil is not supposed to be bad stuff, just change it often.

Scott

Thanks for that, it's what I've used in my bikes for years now and the majority of Honda dealers in the UK use it

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Re: which oil

Postby Red Ron » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:06 pm

I use "Run of the Mill" Mobil 1 full synthetic 10W40. Have used it in 4 Hondas, (2 of them Wings). My first wing only had about 100K. It does not have the "energy conserving" written in the label. This indicates it does not have the friction modifiers that is bad for our clutch. Not 100% sure but I think I have read that all 10W40 oils are free of friction modifiers. I tried Rotella a couple of times but shifting was a little clunky for my taste.

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Re: which oil

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:18 pm

Red Ron wrote:I use "Run of the Mill" Mobil 1 full synthetic 10W40. Have used it in 4 Hondas, (2 of them Wings). My first wing only had about 100K. It does not have the "energy conserving" written in the label. This indicates it does not have the friction modifiers that is bad for our clutch. Not 100% sure but I think I have read that all 10W40 oils are free of friction modifiers. I tried Rotella a couple of times but shifting was a little clunky for my taste.


I use the same "High Mileage" Mobil 1 oil in my GL1500, and it works extremely well.

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Re: which oil

Postby Red Ron » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:44 pm

WingAdmin, that's the one. We need to take a pic of the back of the jug to show the blank spot in the bottom of the label so others not familiar will know what we are talking about.

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Re: which oil

Postby trike lady » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:26 pm

I used Honda GN4, an OEM filter and a new crush washer. :mrgreen:
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Re: which oil

Postby Gun's » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:15 pm

I use Rotella T6. It is a full synthetic oil. Use it in both of my bikes.

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Re: which oil

Postby Big Bee » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:44 am

This is the eternal question for all Bikers, which oil do I use? After the engine break in, I use a 10-40 Motorcycle Synthetic, usually Mobil 1 for my 2011 Wing (14.6K miles). The main reason I stay with motorcycle oils is because of the wet clutch. Before putting my Wing to bed for the winter I change the oil and filter. One other reason I stay with motorcycle oils, is that I know what I am getting. When using automotive oils, one has to pay close attention on what is being pulled of the shelf. Nothing worse than having one quart of mis-matched oil and having to run to the store for another quart during an oil change. If a brother is happy with the oil they're using, then go for it. In my 1988 Honda CH250 scooter, a decent automotive oil is great.

The big thing about engine oil is the filter. I've seen some folks who'll use a (ugh) Walmart oil filter. Myself, I use NAPA Gold (Wix), KN, or Bosch filers on all of my vehicles. While the cheaper filters say they meet certain automotive requirements, they may lack in true performance and construction. I prefer the better filtration and construction of the higher end filters. Since my closet Honda dealer is a 15 mile drive, I just go to my local auto parts store.

Finally, I see in a previous post Mobil1 High Mileage Synthetic is used. I used this oil in my old 94 Ford Ranger, and 2001 Sebring 2.7l. The Chrysler 2.7l is nasty about oil ports getting clogged and the engine seizing up. A few years ago, I had to take the timing chain portion of the engine apart to replace a stupid O-ring on the timing chain tensioner cover (the high mileage oil didn't seal this leak). The whole area that was exposed had a sticky film covering almost everything. It wasn't engine oil sludge. Since a claim made by Mobil 1 High Mileage is to seal leaky gaskets, I'm thinking this film is the sealant used for sealing those gaskets. That sealant will cover everything in an engine. Last year, I acquired a 2003 Intrepid 2.7l that is due for a water pump change and that idiotic O-ring. It has only had conventional oil ran through it. So it will be interesting to see what is behind the timing chain cover. After what I did see, I'm leery of "high mileage oils" and their additives. If you start with a certain type of oil, then stay with it.

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Re: which oil

Postby Big Bee » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:52 am

Typo, 2010, not 2011.

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Re: which oil

Postby Red Ron » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:56 pm

Noticed that Walmart is now stocking a motorcycle specific full synthetic oil called Quicksilver. It is offered in the 20W50 weight. Price is about $20 for a gallon. I think it is made by Mercury Marine. Anybody have any expirence with it?

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Re: which oil

Postby PastoT » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:23 pm

20w/50 is too high a viscosity, check you owners manual. I stick with Mobil T1 4t full synth and run it for 7-8K miles. I ride year round from 5 to 125 degrees, with and without a trailer and doing so I have no issues with my 98K mile 2002 1800. If you shop around you can usually get that oil for just under $10 a quart. Using dino oil you would have to change twice to get that mileage, to me that's a savings of money and time. Like said before you spend as much as we do for a wing's, don't skimp on the engine's protection and enjoy it for years more than any other bike in the world.


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