Burning starter relays


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Burning starter relays

Postby gharrisz » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:29 pm



My 2008 1800 (trike) is burning the two starter relays (switch assy, starter magnetic A&B). I have taken it to two mechanics at different garages and neither has been able to figure out the problem. So far, the answer has been to replace the relays (at first with used relays they had, then, to be sure, I ordered new OEM relays, and it fried them also. Obviously the answer is not the relays, they are only a symptom. The other part of this story is that it doesn't do it immediately, and it doesn't do it at any regular interval. One time I was able to ride it for three days, to a motorcycle safety course where I had to start it probably 50 times over three days and had no problem at all. But the day after the course, I went for a short ride and it fried them. The last time, with the new OEM relays, I rode about 10 miles at night, in traffic, and when I pulled into a parking space, it died. After having it towed to a garage, the mechanic tested the relays and told me one of them was fried. He replace it, and it starts fine now. I just am afraid to take it out of the yard, because my towing fees are becoming too much to handle. If you have any ideas, I would be forever grateful.



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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby Steve F » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:04 pm

Are you sure the starter is not running all the time after you start the bike? Sometimes it's too quiet to tell. A stuck starter button could cause this and the relays are taking the hit.
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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby gharrisz » Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:58 am

Thanks Steve, no I do not know that the starter is not running all the time. I left the trike at the mechanics place, because I am convinced that the relays frying is not the problem, but a symptom. I will not be able to talk with him again until after the holiday. I will have him check that. Thanks again.

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby Red Ron » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:12 am

Sounds like wires must be crossing some where and causing them to be shorted out. Maybe the wires running to the relays have a nick exposing naked wire and it is hitting against metal somewhere.

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby gharrisz » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:32 pm

Red Ron, thanks for the input. I think I am going to replace the wiring from the battery to the relays and from the relays to the starter. I suppose it is not very smart to keep replacing parts while I really don't know the problem, but I really can't think of any thing else to do. Wish me luck.

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:16 am

The starter solenoids are not rated as "continuous duty".
Meaning that the energizing coil is intended to operate only for a short duration.Should they stay energized,they will burn up.
As mentioned above,suspect that the start button may not be releasing sometimes.

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby gharrisz » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:10 am

Virgilmobile, thank you. That makes more sense than anything I can come up with and would account for the inconsistent symptoms. I will now do some research to determine whether I replace the start switch or am able to repair it.

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:17 am

This is without seeing the damaged solenoid.A few pictures would help confirm.I have seen solenoids weld the contacts shut and corrosion making them stick but no outward indications that they were bad.A few had overheated lugs from loose connections but I'm guessing your casing plastic looks cooked.

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby Steve F » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:38 am

One other thing to check: are you riding only during the daytime and not noticing if your headlights are functioning or not? If the starter button is flaking out, you may not have headlights since the headlight circuit uses the start button. If the start button is sticking, your headlights may not come on.
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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby Red Ron » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:49 pm

Steve F wrote:One other thing to check: are you riding only during the daytime and not noticing if your headlights are functioning or not? If the starter button is flaking out, you may not have headlights since the headlight circuit uses the start button. If the start button is sticking, your headlights may not come on.


Very good point!!

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Re: Burning starter relays

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:17 pm

Yes this is true...Unfortunately even I have no clue most of the time if my headlight is on as I usually ride alone and not in traffic...I normally just crank it and go...just assuming that the headlight is on..
I suppose I could start checking every time I start the bike... but eventually I'll forget...
One thing comes to mind...I usually drive during the day and I can just leave my high beam on...glance at the dash...see the pretty blue light and rest easy that the starter circuit disengaged...
Just a thought...

Oh,I do a weekly check too(of some stuff)...monthly check(more stuff)...annual fluid service and yearly mantainence of the rest of the stuff.




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