1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise


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1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby cmwagner » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:12 pm



Hi

I bought the Goldwing in June 2010, with 10 000 Miles on the clock. Please can someone assist me, as I am concerned about a noise in the motor. This is a Ticking sound coming from both sides of the motor, and I can clearly hear this noise when travelling at around 70+ MPH (3000RPM) as well as when I start it, however when it is cold it is apparent but not as loud. I have spoken to some biker buddies, who advised me the noise I'm explaining are the fuel Injectors, I'm just worried that it is something worse. Has anyone any info on this please, anything will be most welcomed. Thanks Colin



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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby daveinozbikes » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:05 am

Colin.....On this machine you have adjustable tappets on each side of the engine. Maybe it"s time they were adjusted as it sounds like excessive clearance. All the Best Dave in Western Australia..

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby cmwagner » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:54 am

Thanks so much Dave, I am unfortunately not a Mechanic, and there are no good Goldwing Mechanics in the area of Residence, do you perhaps have an idea of the gap for the tappets / where I can download information on "How to set the Tappets"? I am sure it can't be that difficult, I'd probably just need a guide of some sort. Cheers Colin

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby daveinozbikes » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:53 am

Well...you have four options: download the service manual from this site and do it yourself OR download the service manual and take the bike to any competent mechanic who has an EXCELLENT reputation (he/she may not want to touch it ) OR go for a ride and get it to a Honda dealer. You could sell it.....
The tappets are adjusted with shims . There"s a fair bit of stuff about it on Google.

Another reason I prefer the GL1500 :D

Best of Luck Dave

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby cmwagner » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:01 am

Thanks Dave, Selling is not an option, I love this Bike, I guess it's gonna be off to a Honda Dealer, as I checked the literature as you suggested and I can't do this!!

Thanks again for the advise

Cheers and Happy Riding

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby jerryd15 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:41 am

CM, This may be totally dumb but I will throw it out anyway. I had a bike for a year (not a GW) and I had this ticking noise. I brought it back to the dealer 2 times and he could not find anything wrong with it. I finally found out it was the visor on my helmet. I had only been riding for a few years and never thought about that for noise. The snaps on the visor were loose and at higher speeds it would make a ticking sound. This may be laughable now and make me look pretty dumb but I just want to throw it out in case no one has thought of it. :lol:

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:08 am

jerryd15 wrote:CM, This may be totally dumb but I will throw it out anyway. I had a bike for a year (not a GW) and I had this ticking noise. I brought it back to the dealer 2 times and he could not find anything wrong with it. I finally found out it was the visor on my helmet. I had only been riding for a few years and never thought about that for noise. The snaps on the visor were loose and at higher speeds it would make a ticking sound. This may be laughable now and make me look pretty dumb but I just want to throw it out in case no one has thought of it. :lol:


That doesn't sound dumb at all...I was out riding once, and when I hit about 40 mph, my bike started making a horrendous whapping noise. I pulled over instantly, thinking a piston had just come through the side of the engine, but found nothing wrong - the bike was running perfectly, no noise at all. I got back on, accelerated, and sure enough at 40 mph, the whapping started again. This time I checked my tires, thinking perhaps the tread was separating at speed. But nothing.

I got back on, up to 40 mph again, and sure enough, whapping. I started looking around on the bike trying to figure out what was making the noise, when I noticed that when I turned my head to the right, the noise stopped.

It turned out, I didn't snap the end of my helmet strap on correctly, and it was just flapping around in the wind when I got up above 40 mph. Sheesh.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby cmwagner » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:56 am

Thanks Guys, I decided to change the oil to a 10/30 full synthetic oil, and the noise is still slightly apparent, but much, much better, I think it is a Tappet Noise, and will have them adjusted in the New Year. Just a story from me being a Dumb, Dumb, prior to owning the Wing, I owned a 1986 Honda CB400N, anyway I was used to getting on the bike and riding. Now with the Goldwing and Technology changes I found myself starting her up and every time I put it into gear it died, eventually I realised that I needed to put the side stand up, now that's Dumb. If I don't speak to anyone before the Festive Season, have a wonderful Xmas and a fantastic New Year. Thanks for a GREAT Website, All the Best. Cheers

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby Bouvier1 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:48 pm

Thats not dumb at all. What is - is finding your battery will not turn the engine over when you go to your bike after work. With no charger nearby pushing the bike up and down trying to bump start it - for nearly 30 minutes. Then noticing the kill switch was turned off. It sure is nackering running a wing up and down.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:27 pm

I have a similiar tapping noise coming from my engine as well. I made an audio clip of the noise and have not been able to post it to see if someone could identify the noise. My bike has close to 50k miles and I am not sure what the previous owner(s) did for service. I bought the bike used from a dealer and they did not have any records on it because it was not a Honda Dealer.

The tapping noise does come from both sides and if it is the valve clearance how serious is it to put off for a while?

Here is the hyperlink to the youtube video I have of my bike that you can hear the noise (ticking). Anyone can identify the cause please help.





Here is a clip to listen to noise.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:17 pm

Anyone know what the sound (ticking) from the video is?

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:49 am

The last time I heard a noise like that on a engine with hydraulic lifters,the lifter was worn slightly and not responding well to the demands to keep the valve lash at "0".The hydraulic lifter relies on maintained oil pressure at it's piston to push against the rocker.After disassembly I found the lifter was leaking past the internal piston check valve.Adjustments didn't help,I had to replace them all.Some lifters can get gummed up and sticky.You can Sea Foam and MMO first.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:01 pm

Interesting. I will try the sea foam and I am not sure what MMO is? Can you explain MMO please? Do you think that if neither of those options work that it will be a dealer mechanic job to fix or something an absolute novice could handle?

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:54 pm

MMO is Marvel Mystery Oil.I have never been into the 1800 engine.I was thinking from a mechanical point of view on how things operate.It's possible that the lifters are pre-load adjusted and re-adjustments are in order.They may be sticky in the bore.Also a novice is someone who hasn't done it before.We were all novices once.
Has anyone been there with the lifters?

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:22 pm

After looking at the breakdown it appears that valve clearance is done by changing shims.This is not hard but is tedious and You would need to purchase the shims required for re-adjustment.Valve adjustments are explained in the service manual.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:48 pm

So my initial thought is to go with the easiest route and attempt the sea foam application along with another oil change to see if that has any affect on the ticking. If not, I will take it by the Honda Dealer to have a mechanic listen and make a "technician" assessment and find out the cost. I have the manual but not sure that I have the time and patience to deal with it myself unless the cost by a mechanic influences me otherwise. I will keep you all posted.

Thanks.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:26 am

Well, I took my bike by the dealer to get the ticking noise checked out and they think it could be the valves needing adjustment. I did not have an opportunity to put the sea foam in it to see if that would clear up the noise. What ended up happening is the mechanic noticed fluid leaking on the front forks (bad fork seal) so now I have an appointment to turn it in tomorrow to get that fixed. I opted out of the valve job because that would require about a $400 job that may or may not fix it. I want to run the sea foam first. After I pick up the bike from the fork job I will get the sea foam put in it.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:43 am

I guess that the problem with a home repair is getting the necessary shims after the old ones have been measured.Some of them may be re-usable.Can they be ordered?

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:39 am

I am not sure how the shim thing works. I need to bust out my Clymers manual and see if there is something in the on it. When I pick my bike up this afternoon from the dealer for the forks I will ask about the shims. I hope it is something I can do.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:24 pm

Best of memory:the shim takes up the gap between the cam and the lifter.That is where you measure valve clearance.With that measurement,remove the shim and measure it. Measure it's thickness and mark with a felt tip pen .Replace the shim with one that will fill the gap to provide the correct clearance.See my bad pix.
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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:03 am

I added the sea foam to the fuel and engine last night to see if I get any results. I plan on doing an oil change this weekend. I did some more research on tue tapping (ticking) noise and I have read a lot of comments saying it was the fuel injectors and is very common on the Gold Wings. I have not had an opportunity to listen to another, not many on the island. I will post a follow up this weekend on the results of the sea foam.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby joshellison » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:05 am

virgilmobile wrote:Best of memory:the shim takes up the gap between the cam and the lifter.That is where you measure valve clearance.With that measurement,remove the shim and measure it. Measure it's thickness and mark with a felt tip pen .Replace the shim with one that will fill the gap to provide the correct clearance.See my bad pix.



This is a very good diagram, makes good sense to me. If I get froggy enough I may do this one day. Thanks for sharing that.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:37 am

I haven't done this on a wing,but the theory is the same as the 1986 Jaguar 6cyl.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:03 pm

Use a mechanics stethoscope to pinpoint noise.

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Re: 1800GL - 2005 Model 10500Miles noise

Postby thrasherg » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:37 pm

joshellison wrote:
virgilmobile wrote:Best of memory:the shim takes up the gap between the cam and the lifter.That is where you measure valve clearance.With that measurement,remove the shim and measure it. Measure it's thickness and mark with a felt tip pen .Replace the shim with one that will fill the gap to provide the correct clearance.See my bad pix.



This is a very good diagram, makes good sense to me. If I get froggy enough I may do this one day. Thanks for sharing that.


There are 2 basic systems, the under bucket and over bucket, the picture shows the simpler system (Over bucket) where the shim sits between the lifter bucket and the cam (very easy to change the shim, but the shim could drop out at very high RPM (like a missed gear, etc)), the other system the under bucket is where the shim is fitted inside the lifter bucket between the bucket and the valve stem, this is a more robust system (shim cannot drop out), but requires the camshaft to be removed so that the lifter bucket can be lifted out to gain access to the shim. This system is more common on high revving engines as the shim is less likely to move.. Same adjusting principle, measure the actual gap, calculate the error between the actual gap and the manufacture specified gap, then extract the shim and fit a new one which is thicker or thinner to get the measured gap back into spec.. Just the under bucket system takes a bit longer to adjust due to needing removal of cam shafts and lifter buckets.
All of these shim systems are a nuissance for the home mechanic as you need a supply of shims to swap in/out!! If you do decide to do this yourself, it is highly recomended to write down the size of every shim in your engine, then the next time you do it, you can measure the gap, and knowing the shim that is already in place you can calculate the new shim and then go and get it from your dealer and then just swap them all in one go.. I hope that makes some sense.

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