Hard Shift 1st to 2nd


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Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:48 am



2005 with 75000 miles. Bike is in very good condition and runs well except at slow speeds. Just recently drove
Deal's Gap twice. I don't go much over 20mph or so (I love my wife's husband!). When shifting from 1st to 2nd at low speeds there is a definite delay/slack/clunk between gears. I put the bike on the center stand and rotated the rear wheel and don't get the same symptom. The rear wheel moves freely about an inch back and forth when in gear. Out of gear it moves freely with no noise. When normally accelerating i don't notice this as much. I know i am not describing this very well but in slow turns/speed the bike will jerk - again like a delay somewhere in the drive train. Could this be a clutch problem? Final drive? Drive shaft? Combination?
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Steve F » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:34 pm

I've tried different shifting techniques in the past, and I have found that a quick shift is always necessary. In other words, you must shift the instant you quickly pull in the clutch lever. Don't lag or be slow about it and you'll be amazed at how easy and quiet it shifts.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:24 pm

a quick shift at lower RPMs seems to work best for me.

I use a tiny bit of Preload on the shifter lever, and without moving the throttle, tickle the clutch lever, and it will upshift in a heartbeat.

anywhere between 1500-2200 rpm seems best for me....
I got thru all 5 gears w/o moving the throttle, holding it at about 2500 rpm.

preload, tickle the clutch, allow the rpm to get back to 2500 and tickle the clutch again.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:10 pm

Thanks guys....
So this clunk is common for our bikes?
I will definitely practice the recommendations.
Don't know if it's that big a deal except the metallic noise... I just a fussy guy!

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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingsconsin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:02 pm

If you are making shifts from 1st to 2nd in a turn on the Dragon at slow speeds you are going WAY TOO SLOW
The GL1800 has the power (torque) to START in 2nd and pull at nearly any slow speed so using 1st may be a challenge.
I do ALL of my parking lot maneuvers in 2nd gear - 1st gear is only to start the bike rolling from a stop sign in my opinion and experience.
The shifts must be quick and clean - an aggressive movement to shift up -
Going to 1st from 2nd (downshift) while still moving will likely end up in a grind or sorts --
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:33 am

I have tried the suggestions from the replies and found that they do work. I was worried that something in the drive train was beginning to break down. I can't get it in my head that this machine will do just fine in 2nd gear. I think with more attention to my speed/gear most of my worries will go away.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by bstig60 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:31 pm

How much do you ride? I find there is a little clunk in down shifting to the lower gear and there is also some noise when shifting from first to second. I think its normal, had the same thing with my 1500.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:22 pm

I ride quite a bit. I have owned the Goldwing about a year now and find that it handles and sounds much different that the Yamaha Midnight Star I sold. The Star didn't seem to have the 'slack' between 1st and 2nd and the clunk noise wasn't there either.
Yes, I am finding that some or most of the things I am hearing are indeed normal. I have changed my shifting to test some of the advise I have received and so far most is working.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by bstig60 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:34 pm

I ride about 10K miles per year on my GW. I also have a '99 Yamaha XV1100 Virago. It has the clunk shifting down from 2nd to 1st. It uses the same transmission as the early Stars. I have a buddy that has a XVS1100 Star Classic (2005), it has the same clunk.
I will be coming down to Florida for the winter and will be in Rockledge or Cocoa. Perhaps we can get together sometime this winter.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:52 am

Yes I know that sound. I had a Yamaha Roadstar prior to my Goldwing. This sound is different. It sounds like free play between the gears and then a hard contact. I suspect there is excessive wear in the drive train somewhere. Will take it to the mechanic for opinions and cost.
Thanks for the reply. ....

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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by bstig60 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:39 am

I think its normal. Only have 30K on my goldwing and 17K on the Virago, Both have the clunk noise when shifting down from 2nd to 1st gear.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:27 pm

All Goldwing transmissions have a clunk, they have straight cut gears and no synchronizers
how bad depends on your shifting technique.

the 2 to 1 shift should only be done just as you come to a complete stop, or after you stop.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:27 pm

Great info - definitely will check my shifting habits
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:01 pm

SHIFTING:

my method is to use a slight amount of toe pressure "preload" and then just quickly tickle the clutch lever down maybe a 1/4th and the transmission will upshift before you can get your fingers off the clutch lever.

Downshifting is slightly different.

Apply a light preload to downshift, apply enough throttle to make the engine want to pull a bit harder, and then tickle the clutch.

I use a bit of footbrake to hold the engine from gaining any speed, that makes the engine want to pull just a tad harder, and then with preload, the tranny will shift so fast, you would think it is an automatic.
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Re: Hard Shift 1st to 2nd

Post by Wingrider73 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:28 pm

Kool! I bet this will take a little practice.
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