Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing


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Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby DAbed » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:49 pm



I put a car tire on my 07 Goldwing and have got alot of info from the Darkside Site just lookin for any other input in the matter

Thanks Dave



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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:35 pm

You'd probably have a lot to offer other users, just in talking about your experiences with the car tire on your bike!

Which tire did you use?

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gareva1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Much like oil, there are many opinions about darksiding, both for and against; I personally use the Dunlop wintersport 175/60/16 on my 08; I like how the 175, being the narrowest CT people use, allows the wing to keep the motorcycle tire handling characteristics many people lose when moving to a wider tire like the 195's and 205's. I give up some tire life with it (I average around 20k miles with the 175, where many users of the 195 get 30-40k or more), but between the handling and the runflat capabilities of the 175, I'm hooked and will continue to use them until I can no longer get them...at which point I may go back to MTs if I cannot find a similar replacement.

Also I understand that the dunlop 175 will fit 1500 wing rims as well...the 195's typically don't. As far as 1500's, the speedo is measured off the front wheel, so no issues there, however on the 1800 it will knock your speedo off a bit, and it will lower the bike slightly...I did the traxxion rear shock/spring, and replaced the front OEM spring with traxxion, and it has more than made up for what I lost in height on the tire...

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby mdvmedic » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:30 pm

We have two members of our GWRRA Chapter that believe explicitly in using car tires on their wings. They have gotten about 30 - 40K miles on them and reportedly with no lose of traction in the swurvy curvy's. I would be interested in the precise size of tire you are using?

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gareva1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:43 pm

If you're running a 1500 as your details say, the 175/60R16 is pretty much your only option that I know of that's still in production, and the most popular of that size is the dunlop wintersport SP runflat...for the 1800s, you can run a 195/55R16, 195/65R16, or even 205/55R16, though you may be looking at installing that larger tire deflated and then inflating it once it's on, and even then it may not fit with a newer wing with the stereo amplifier.

Here's a comparison of the stock size wing MT vs the 175 width CT:

________________180/60/16__175/60/16__Difference
Sidewall Height ....4.25_______ 4.13_______-012
Section Width ......7.09 _______6.89_______-0.2
Overall Diameter ...24.5________24.27______-0.23
Circunference ......76.98_______76.24______-0.74
Rev/Mile............823.06______831.07_____ 8.01

If your Speed is 65mph you are doing 64.37mph

As you can see, there isn't much of a difference in dimensions. Below is a page that has lots of information, though it's not arranged very well, and it's geared toward the 1800:

http://murgie.com/dsi_roster.txt
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gareva1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:46 pm

Something else to be mentioned is the handling difference---the 195 and 205 tires require a little extra steering input as the bike tries to right itself when cornering; most people find this different and get used to it very quickly. I found that the 175 did not have this issue at all, and in fact almost threw the bike down on a curve the first time I tried this tire as I was expecting that "lip" to push back on the bike. It is for this reason that I prefer the 175 (the fact that no re-learning of handling is required to move from MT to CT and back again.)

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby nsjoe » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:41 pm

DAbed wrote:I put a car tire on my 07 Goldwing and have got alot of info from the Darkside Site just lookin for any other input in the matter

Thanks Dave



So which tire did you put on Dave?
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby Bouvier1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:35 am

Car tyres in the UK on Motorcycles of any make are illegal except for rear wheels on a trike - classed as a 3 wheel car in uk (therefore no helmet required but seatbelts for passengers if the rear seat holds more than one passenger). So I find this very fascinating especially when gareva1 can quote sizes/speed differences etc.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby Red Ron » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:18 am

I use the Falken 912 Non RF on my '08. Being a non run flat I think it has a little more give in the twisties. A car tire should be better in the rain, dirt, and carry more weight. A motorcycle tire is about 900 lb. limit I think. My car tire is about 12-14 hundred lb. If you consider half the weight of the bike and my big butt and my wife's little butt plus luggage you are over a bike tires weight limit. Plus factor in the extra weight and torque on the tire if you pull a trailer. As an added bonus the Falken only cost $108 including tax and mounting. It didn't even need balancing and runs smoother than the old 'dunnie.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby nsjoe » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:28 am

Bouvier1 wrote:Car tyres in the UK on Motorcycles of any make are illegal except for rear wheels on a trike - classed as a 3 wheel car in uk (therefore no helmet required but seatbelts for passengers if the rear seat holds more than one passenger). So I find this very fascinating especially when gareva1 can quote sizes/speed differences etc.

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Not so in the USA.
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gareva1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:29 pm

Bouvier1 wrote:Car tyres in the UK on Motorcycles of any make are illegal except for rear wheels on a trike - classed as a 3 wheel car in uk (therefore no helmet required but seatbelts for passengers if the rear seat holds more than one passenger). So I find this very fascinating especially when gareva1 can quote sizes/speed differences etc.

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I'm not saying that you're wrong (well...I'm guessing you might be ;) ), but I would be interested in seeing a citation of the law in the UK that references this...There are many people who are anti-CT on motorcycles, and I think this would have come up in discussion as an argument not to run CTs stateside if it were true.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:08 pm

Only thing I could find was this:

Vehicle tyres (including motorcycles) must be of a size and type as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. The current penalty in the UK is £2500 ($4200) / tyre plus penalty points on your driving license.


It also apparently invalidates your insurance in the UK, which means you can be fined for driving without insurance.

I couldn't find any cited cases, only people talking about it and pointing to law generalizations...but then, I didn't spend a great deal of time Googling around. :)

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gareva1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:29 pm

Yeah, found this:

http://www.ford.co.uk/OwnerServices/Veh ... /UKTyreLaw

apparently it is also illegal to mix and match radial and bias ply tires as well...I highly suspect this is a law that is rarely enforced by itself, but I have no way to know...maybe someone in the UK who has been slapped by this before could chime in?

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby DAbed » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:19 am

The tire I used is a Kumho RF 195 55 16

So far no problems

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby nsjoe » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:20 pm

Some guys in the UK get very upset when you even mention using a car tire on a bike, I believe because it causes them these issues. I don't know what the laws are over there. I do know that there are guys in Ireland using car tires....don't know what kind of hoops they had to jump through to make it ok.

In the USA it is perfectly legal. I checled with my insurance company before I installed my car tire and was told that as long as it was made of rubber and was round they would insure my bike. They did say that if I modified the mounting system (frame or rim) they would want to know that, and if the addition of the car tire added a significant value to the bike (like a $2000 tire/rim combo) they would want to know that. They would be able to write a rider for those instances, but with no modification, a tire is a tire.

Some just grip the road better and last longer....
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby nsjoe » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:22 pm

DAbed wrote:The tire I used is a Kumho RF 195 55 16

So far no problems

Dave


Alot of guys seem to like that tire.
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby Bouvier1 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:26 am

The law on the tyres is correct (I am an ex police officer of 30yrs) unfortunately these are covered by our MOT test, which is a yearly test for all vehicles in the UK and covers tyres/brakes/lights/exhausts etc. The laws originally governing the tyres was set down at the begining of the rules governing all Motorvehicles in the UK and have since been updated (especially the fines etc) but keeping within the oringinal laws ie as WingAdmin stated "as recommended by the Manufacturer".
Unfortunately I don't think any manufacturer would recommend a car tyre outright or put one on their bikes for sale. As the the use of differing tyres Xply and Radial mix this is true if on the same axel, although it is not truely illegal to use xply front to radial rear on cars not many would do so.
Any alteration to a motorcycle mechanical or physical could invalidate the insurance but this would only come to light during and accident claim or a police officer reports you for no insurance (in the case of using car tyres etc) then it would be up to you to prove that the insurance company covered you, but as it is illegal to use car tyres I doubt whether they would say Yes.
You will not find any 'cited' cases in the UK as it is an 'on the spot fine' - and not many would contest it for the above reasons.
It would be a great help if we could use car tyres as my bike tyres cost the same as fitting a car out completely.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby nsjoe » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:55 am

Bouvier1 wrote:It would be a great help if we could use car tyres as my bike tyres cost the same as fitting a car out completely.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby DAbed » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:12 am

nsjoe wrote:
DAbed wrote:The tire I used is a Kumho RF 195 55 16

So far no problems

Dave


Alot of guys seem to like that tire.



Its my first try at this thought if I did not like it I would just go back to a MT but so far its been ok. Now its the thing of a rear MT tire on the front in reverse rotation--- im kinda lookin at that.... any thoughts?
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby Red Ron » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:22 pm

DAbed wrote:
nsjoe wrote:
DAbed wrote:The tire I used is a Kumho RF 195 55 16

So far no problems

Dave


Alot of guys seem to like that tire.



Its my first try at this thought if I did not like it I would just go back to a MT but so far its been ok. Now its the thing of a rear MT tire on the front in reverse rotation--- im kinda lookin at that.... any thoughts?
Dave


Ahhh....that's called the "Double Dark-Side". There is a lot of guys who do it and a lot of info about it on the "Darkside" board over on the gl1800riders.com message board.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby nsjoe » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:55 pm

Red Ron is correct. I am not double darksiding, so I can't give any info there, but I am familiar with it being done and haven't heard of anyone not liking it. There is alot if info at the gl1800riders site.
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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gcarroll70 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:17 pm

I have used a CT on both a Suzuki 650 and a Victory Vision both with great results. The other respondants are right, there is a little more work to be done in the corners and surface changes are felt a bit more however there is a lot less difference between MC and CTs than people think. The upside on CT wear more than outweighs the negatives. Both times, they were 195s and both were only on the rear so I cannot speak to double darksiding. I may want to try the 175s next time. Between the two bikes, I had close to 50K miles on CTs.

Just bought a 2010 GL18BMA which came with MC tires of course and noticed the difference in ride...mostly on surface transitions...it is smoother with a MC tire but it may not be enough for me to forego putting a CT on the next change cycle. We will see.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby davegr1 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:47 am

Im new to the Goldwing, (bought mine yesterday.) 06 1800 Navi/comfort? , anyway, the back tire looks a little worn to me, Im coming off Vulcans, where I had a ton of tread. Whats the hype with using a car tire? If it saves me some bucks, Im all for it. My only question would be, how does it handle in turns? Doesn't a bike tire have a premolded curve for leaning. Remember, I have not even riden this wing, To much ice on the road, so Im not familar with the amount of lean I can get out of it. Thanks...

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby DAbed » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:58 am

Go to the Riding the Darkside and the GL1800 Forums to get all the info

http://gl1800riders.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31

http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding

The Delphi Web Sites are having problems this morning just keep trying
Go to the Message Tab on the Darkside Then to the DS information folder to start lots of good info there and then after go to the Honda Chat below that.

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Re: Car Tire on a 07 Goldwing

Postby gcarroll70 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:59 pm

My recommendation is that you get used to riding your Wing using normal MC tires before you jump in. The Wing is a nice ride but it is different from other bikes so my thought is that you get used to it before you jump to the dark side. As mentioned in this thread and in many other forums on MC/CT debates, there is a slight difference between the two with tradeoffs on each. I just got a 2010 GL18BMA and I am enjoying the ride with MC tires on it. On my first venture into using CTs, I had about 10K miles under me on the original MC tire and so when I switched, I already knew what it was like to ride on that bike (a Suzuki 650) there was only one new element to adjust to. Not a big change but you dont want 15 things going on that you are adjusting to while going down the road at 70 mph.

I will say that I felt much more secure on the CT in heavy rain...a bigger footprint and good water dispersion to grip the road especially on turns. My last bike, a Victory Vision had a CT on it and it had 28 K miles on it and it looked just like new. The wear difference is significant so if you put a lot of miles on per year, the CT is the way to go, especially if they are highway miles.

Good luck.




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