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Went To The Darkside

Postby myYellowbird » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:42 pm



Had to get a new rear tire found a srew in my stock dunlop with 4500 miles on it. Went with a car tire hope to get better miles if i get 20,000 i'll be happy. Live in South Fl were we do a lot flat riding not many curves or hills we run our tires flat on the bottoms. Did a 375 mile trip today the bike rides great handles way better then i expected, just a little change in the handling at lower speeds. Will also do way better in all the rain we get down here. Used a Kumho Solus KH16 p195/55/r16 plus new dyna beads. :D


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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Red Ron » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:21 am

What tire pressure are you running? If it is the kumo runflat I think most run about 34. I have a falken nonrunflat that I run 44psi. I like the car tire a lot better also.

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby myYellowbird » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:47 am

No its not a run flat i had 40 psi in it but just backed it to 34 not sure what pressure to ride at yet. I to like to ride at higher pressures seem to get better wear. But using a CT on a bike is new to me so i lowered to 34 this is wer a lot of darsiders seem to be. Will test ride as i ride my wing daily to work and back. I also use dyna beads 2 oz front 3oz rear they work great.
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Red Ron » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:56 am

I knew that 34 was what most used with the runflat because of the sidewalls being thicker and stiffer on a runflat. On my non runflat I use 44 but it is Falken 912, not a Kumo.

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby dgjackson40 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:14 pm

Planning to do this soon, just haven't pulled the trigger yet. Have an extra rim just waiting for some rubber!

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby myYellowbird » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:55 am

Went back to 40psi may even try 44psi. Did not like the way it felt at 34 too much slippage. Much better handles great at higher pressures.
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Froggy » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:06 pm

I also went darkside on my 2008 GL1800 last year before a 6 week, 10,000 mile summer trip with wife and trailer. The Falken 912 was flawless at 44 psi with 2 oz beads. The wear pattern indicates that the pressure should be closer to 40 to 42 psi. Very grippy in rain and hail. Now have about 17,000 miles on the rear tire and it is time to replace.
Going to a Yokohama Envigor this time. Hope to get more miles than with the Falkens. Treadwear number is 550 vs 350 for the Falkens. Has anyone used the Yoko's?

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby myYellowbird » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:36 pm

17000 is nice your pressure may have been to high plus you need at lease 3oz of dyna beads on the rear. May have gotten 20,000 who knows still better then MT. Heres some info i found on CTs hope this helps.

http://murgie.com/dsi_roster.txt
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Red Ron » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:00 pm

myYellowbird wrote:17000 is nice your pressure may have been to high plus you need at lease 3oz of dyna beads on the rear. May have gotten 20,000 who knows still better then MT. Heres some info i found on CTs hope this helps.

http://murgie.com/dsi_roster.txt


My local Honda dealer wouldn't mount my Falken but I did take it to them to be balanced. After a few minutes the tech brought it back out with a dumbfounded look on his face. He said it was perfect and didn't need balancing. (Charged me same price anyway). I have since learned that a lot if not most who use the Falken do not need balancing.

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Joe Ewing » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:02 am

Red Ron wrote:
My local Honda dealer wouldn't mount my Falken but I did take it to them to be balanced. After a few minutes the tech brought it back out with a dumbfounded look on his face. He said it was perfect and didn't need balancing. (Charged me same price anyway). I have since learned that a lot if not most who use the Falken do not need balancing.


Interesting that they wouldn't mount a car tire, but were happy to charge you to balance it.

Those kookie kids over at Honda. :lol:

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Red Ron » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:49 am

Joe Ewing wrote:
Red Ron wrote:
My local Honda dealer wouldn't mount my Falken but I did take it to them to be balanced. After a few minutes the tech brought it back out with a dumbfounded look on his face. He said it was perfect and didn't need balancing. (Charged me same price anyway). I have since learned that a lot if not most who use the Falken do not need balancing.


Interesting that they wouldn't mount a car tire, but were happy to charge you to balance it.

Those kookie kids over at Honda. :lol:


Absolutely; they did admit later that they knew the tire would work but it was a liability thing. I think it was a more of a "buy my tire thing". The guy that mounted said that he wasn't set up to balance that wheel because the hub was too small. Next time I will probably go to Walmart and see if they can do it or just not even worry about it at all since a lot of guys who use this tire said theirs needed no balancing either.

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby Joe Ewing » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:42 pm

Red Ron wrote:
Joe Ewing wrote:
Red Ron wrote:
My local Honda dealer wouldn't mount my Falken but I did take it to them to be balanced. After a few minutes the tech brought it back out with a dumbfounded look on his face. He said it was perfect and didn't need balancing. (Charged me same price anyway). I have since learned that a lot if not most who use the Falken do not need balancing.


Interesting that they wouldn't mount a car tire, but were happy to charge you to balance it.

Those kookie kids over at Honda. :lol:


Absolutely; they did admit later that they knew the tire would work but it was a liability thing. I think it was a more of a "buy my tire thing". The guy that mounted said that he wasn't set up to balance that wheel because the hub was too small. Next time I will probably go to Walmart and see if they can do it or just not even worry about it at all since a lot of guys who use this tire said theirs needed no balancing either.


Or use Dynabeads?

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby nsjoe » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:18 am

You probably want to stay with a little higher pressure with a non runflat. You don't want the sidewall to flex and create heat, as heat is what eats tires. I run 36 in mine and I love it. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus 205/55ZR16.
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby MattRyder » Mon May 02, 2011 12:17 am

Red Ron wrote:
myYellowbird wrote:Heres some info i found on CTs hope this helps.

http://murgie.com/dsi_roster.txt

I checked out the "20 reasons to use a car tire" in your the dsi_roster.txt file. Two stood out:

8. Better traction in snow/slush.
22. You can get a cool T-shirt.

I'm not sure that number 8. is really a good idea in any event, but I'm always on the lookout for cool t-shirts.

Seriously though, how are they for cornering? I leaned mine over pretty far the other day (don't tell my wife) and wonder if I had a car tire on if I'd have ended up in the ditch.

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby myYellowbird » Mon May 02, 2011 9:44 am

I am very happy with my CT i have over 8000 miles on it and it still looks brand new. There is really not much of a difference in the handling of the bike at all. Doing the curves is not a problem at all for me it was longer tire life and i feel better traction. :D
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby nsjoe » Mon May 02, 2011 12:49 pm

MattRyder wrote:
Red Ron wrote:
myYellowbird wrote:Heres some info i found on CTs hope this helps.

http://murgie.com/dsi_roster.txt

I checked out the "20 reasons to use a car tire" in your the dsi_roster.txt file. Two stood out:

8. Better traction in snow/slush.
22. You can get a cool T-shirt.

I'm not sure that number 8. is really a good idea in any event, but I'm always on the lookout for cool t-shirts.

Seriously though, how are they for cornering? I leaned mine over pretty far the other day (don't tell my wife) and wonder if I had a car tire on if I'd have ended up in the ditch.


The only reason you would end up in a ditch is if you drove it in there. You will touch down everything hard on the sides before you run out of tread.
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby hardrider » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:24 pm

myYellowbird wrote:Went back to 40psi may even try 44psi. Did not like the way it felt at 34 too much slippage. Much better handles great at higher pressures.

have a bike shop in ga on gw we recommend 40 lbsto start

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby nsjoe » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:23 am

Welcome to the group hardrider.
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby warbox52 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:30 pm

I just did a 1100 mile run in SOUTH Florida, and I keep the RF @ 39PSI.. and it does really well.. especially with a full load..

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby fysty-1 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:31 pm

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby eddard49 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:36 pm

I installed that same Kumho Solus on my 1800 last Fall. I mount my own tires, and also have a balancer. My tire was in perfect balance, no weights needed to be moved, removed, or added.

I'm running at 40 PSI and though I've only put about 1000 miles on it.....I love it!

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby flash2002 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:58 am

I was looking at the Hankook Optimo 4S all season, they look like a good all around tire, can handle more weight then Kumho. I like the tread pattern and the price is good. Did anybody try this tire or are using them now?

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby venture1 » Wed May 02, 2012 7:00 am

I am running a Kuhmo Ecsta SPT 195/55 RF16 87V (run flat) at 32 PSI on rear
and running a Bridgestone EXEDRA G709 130/70R18 at 38 PSI on the front.
I am also running Centramatic wheel balancers front and back.
This appears to be a good set up for me.
I have been thinking of experimenting with using Dyna Beads as well (I still get a "slight" hop with the Centramatics).
Anyone have any thoughts on using both?
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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby RC4U » Thu May 03, 2012 10:53 am

i also considered CT but after looking at so many pics of bikes in corners with them i decided not to...not that they dont work good as obviusly they do...just that small contact patch worried me....jeff

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Re: Went To The Darkside

Postby dalph07 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:12 pm

I am running a Kuhmo Ecsta SPT 195/55 RF16 (run flat) at 34 PSI on rear.

I feel much safer with the CT on the bike which is the main reason I switched. Another good thing, relating to safety, is the better grip in rain. Jeff, I feel (seat of the pants) that I have more grip in a corner from the CT than I felt with a MT. With that being said, an earlier poster was correct that with a CT you can lean far enough that the drivers foot pegs will drag before the safety bars and a CT will still have grip unless you go further then, all bets are off. A CT has a much better load rating than the standard rear dunflop MT has. My wife likes the ride better with the Kuhmo which is always a good thing but, I too like the better ride of the Kuhmo.

As with any tire you have on your bike, check the tread and the PSI often. This can save you problems down the road! :lol: Also, don't forget to use whatever size, brand, MT or CT that you feel safe with.




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