Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800


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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nandyman1 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:16 pm



I agree that tires that provide good traction on autos are also good for motorcycles dependant on the use. A cruiser or goldwing is driven differently than a crotch rocket. A ct provides more ground contact and therefore better traction for accelerating and braking. i have been riding with a ct on the rear of my wing and like it. This is just my experience and whatever you have on your bike just ride it and be safe. :D



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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by Sally » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:56 pm

Well here's my take..I did hours and hours of reseach on this and then took the plung.I WILL NEVER GO BACK. I ride one up two up and tow a trailer I push hard some when feeling freasky with no problems this was my thrid riding season.The wife had a fit when I did this she said she would try a couple miles and if she didn't like it it was coming off.Within three mile she telling me how much better the bike rides from her purch.I know you have read a lot on this and everyone uses a 195 55 R16 don't use this it makes the bike seat down about and inch lower and you scrape your pegs. So I again went out bought another rim and started reseach again and found that a 195 60 R16 is the exact same size the rpm's of this tire one or two rpm's off in a mile. The bike seats the same as an M/C tire. This tire is a bite harder to find it's a sports car tire a little rounder on the egdes.I have posted the web site before with all this infor on tires can't find it right now.I'm not telling you to do this in the end it's a personal choice and a comfort thing.. Sally

oh ya also if you do this mount tire to rim then let air back out before installing on bike then reinflate much easier getting it on..Also the tires are DOT approved your insurance should cover mine will I called them..You will have to mount tire yourself shops won't because of liable. again Sally

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by frostypop » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:23 pm

well i hope i have not offended anyone for what i have posted. i have talked about the safety issue of a car tire, but i am one who hardly ever wears the safety gear you know the helmet and the leathers. and after reading some of the darksiders comments about this issue i may have to give it a try. i have read some on other post, and have not read anything bad or causing any problem. i do not know for sure but i may have to try it. the main thing is we all should be doing are best to have safe rides and to help each other and new bikers along the way and i am have been getting alot of useful information from you all here on this post, thanks alot 8-)

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by eddard49 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:30 pm

You don't have to let the air out to fit the wheel on the bike.

A car tire will rub on the inner fender on it's way into place......NOT once in place......only while installing.

When this happened to me, I just put a smear of GoJo hand cleaner on the top outer edge of the tire where it rubs. It then slips in with a slight wiggle-push.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nandyman1 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:04 am

I also read and tried while installing the tire put a plastic (walmart) bag between the tire and inner fender and it allows it to slip in place much easier. Before I ran across this it was a lot harder to get the tire into place.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by okstay » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:29 pm

I am very interested in running a car tire for the mileage. Can anyone tell me which brand is more rounded than some of the other tires. This would help if it was from somone that actually used one. And can someone please post a picture of a car tire mounted on the back of a wing? When there was a listing of tires, each year goldwing listed a different kind of rear car tire. Does it matter what year it is? Assuming it is an 1800? As far as I can see, the same tire should fit a 2001 to 2012. If anyone knows why there is a difference please post it. I think this forum is a great place to find info that is not biased by a manufacturer. It is posted by actual riders. Please give me some help with this issue. I have a spare back rim and would like to mount a car tire on it and compare it to the stock tire. But I would like to buy a brand of tire that may be rounded on the ends. I know different type tires run different tread patterns and some would be better suited to this use than others. Thanks again, Chris 2012 wing. northeast Pa.


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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by WOJCIECH » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:36 am

I have this trike founded 195/55/R16 rear tire but the vehicle leans on corners

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nandyman1 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:54 pm

I purchased a Kumho Ecsta Run Flat from Tire Rack haven't installed it yet but it is most popular RF tire I've seen on several sites. figured I would try when my Conti Contact wears out 195/55-16

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by WOJCIECH » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:29 am

but why are using a car tire for a motorcycle? after cornering a car tire loses traction with the ground due to the small area of contact!

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nandyman1 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:04 am

This is true while cornering I loose some of the contact patch that I have while riding upright. it still is just as much as the bike tire as the tire gives and grips the road. Go on utube and look at some of the videos that people have made. Not to mention the ct will support more weight or has a higher load rating. I'm happy with mine :D

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by okstay » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:56 pm

I am surprised at how many posts there are about car tires on this site, yet no one has posted a picture of what one looks like on the back of a wing...

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nsjoe » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:50 am

Ask and ye shall receive....
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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by Red Ron » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:52 am

okstay wrote:With all the talk about car tires, I wonder why we would put a car tire on instead of a mc tire? Probably more mileage? Then why the heck don't the tire manufacturers use the same rubber compound that they use on car tires to make mc tires? I guess it is all about the money. They tell us it is about more traction but I don't believe it. Car tires have good traction, I own a sport utility and a pickup. Both seem to have good traction and wet weather grip. I think the tire manufacturers are taking advantage of bikers. It is a shame how little mileage we get out of mc tires. What do you think? Chris
Another reason is the load limit. 1200-1400 lb. for a CT compared to 800-900 lb. for a MCT. Comes in handy if you are fully loaded and have the added torque of pulling a trailer. Also there is a lot of talk about the thin sidewalls. That is why a lot of riders use a run flat car tire. Also I think the brand of tire used in the GWRRA display was not a tire that darksiders use anyway.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by okstay » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:39 pm

nsjoe wrote:Ask and ye shall receive....
That tire looks awsome in the picture. I will definitely try one on my wing. Now could you post what brand and model tire it is and what size. Thanks for posting that picture. The sides of the tire look somewhat rounded for cornering.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:10 pm

okstay wrote:
nsjoe wrote:Ask and ye shall receive....
That tire looks awsome in the picture. I will definitely try one on my wing. Now could you post what brand and model tire it is and what size. Thanks for posting that picture. The sides of the tire look somewhat rounded for cornering.
I've ridden behind nsjoe when he's been on his car-tire equipped GL1800 (the one in the picture before). The tire actually curves a fair bit at the corners, more than it looks in the picture. When he goes around corners, the edge of the tire flattens out a bit, giving him a bit more of a contact patch than you would expect. I was surprised at just how much rubber stayed on the road in turns.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nsjoe » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:19 pm

okstay wrote:
nsjoe wrote:Ask and ye shall receive....
That tire looks awsome in the picture. I will definitely try one on my wing. Now could you post what brand and model tire it is and what size. Thanks for posting that picture. The sides of the tire look somewhat rounded for cornering.
The tire is a Michelin Pilot Sport Plus A/S in 205/55ZR16. It is not a runfat, but it is a Z rated tire, which means it is capable of sustained speeds in excess of 149mph. I rarely ride that fast. The benefit is that is has a thicker sidewall. The tire also has a load rating of 1351 pounds. So this tire does not have to work very hard to support me and my bike. You mentioned that you thought the tire was rounded on the sides, it is not. It is quite squared. The 205 can be difficult to install. If I am able to wear this one out, I think I'll try a 195, probably either the Pirelli Eufori 195/55 R16 RF or the Mitchelin Alpin PA3 195/55/16. The Pirelli is a runflat, I don't believe the Alpin is. Good luck.
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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by kc8cta » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:31 pm

nsjoe wrote:Ask and ye shall receive....
Joe,

What brand/size tire is that? I like the tread pattern.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by kc8cta » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:46 pm

kc8cta wrote:
nsjoe wrote:Ask and ye shall receive....
Joe,

What brand/size tire is that? I like the tread pattern.

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Never mind. I see the post above.
Anybody have anything good or bad to say about a General G-MAX AS-03 or Hankook Ventus V4 ES H105
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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by wayne ian » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:09 pm

Ok. so ct's are good for highway and touring. But what about hard cornering? I like to drag steel on corners. I need to know that the tires will stick . Does anyone with ct lean bike way down, fast or slow?

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by nsjoe » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:18 pm

wayne ian wrote:Ok. so ct's are good for highway and touring. But what about hard cornering? I like to drag steel on corners. I need to know that the tires will stick . Does anyone with ct lean bike way down, fast or slow?
They lean over just fine....you'll jack yourself off the road with the engine guard before you run out of tread. The tire actually flexes a bit at higher lean angles leaving more tread on the road.
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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by okstay » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:40 am

More than ten years ago I tried to mount a car tire on the rear of my Kawasaki vulcan 1500. I could not get the bead to seat. Has anyone had any problems getting the bead to seat on the goldwing rims? I ran the pressure up to 80 psi on the Kawasaki rim but the tire would not seat. I did not have the guts to raise it any higher and I was concerned about doing structural damage to the tire with high pressure. Can anyone tell me about how many pounds of air it would take to seat the bead on the goldwing rims? In exteme cases, I sprayed starting fluid in the tire and lit it and it would seat a stubbord bead but this is very dangerous if not done properly. I used a stream of about ten feet of gas as a fuse and then run like hell when I light it! You should also have the rim proped up on something because when the starting fluid goes off, the tire will inflate so rapidly that it will launch the tire in the air. And yes, I did have the bead lubed with soapy water. Thanks

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:58 am

I've seen videos of that technique used to re-seat huge rock-crawling tires on Jeeps, when the bead was peeled away because of whatever rock-crawling activities they were doing.

It took about 60 psi to properly seat the bead of my Avons on my 1500, and I have to say that I was getting kind of squirrely at that pressure. At 80 psi I'd definitely be quite worried - that's an AWFUL lot of energy stored in there. Sometimes beating on it with a mallet while pressurizing it will help as well.

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by eddard49 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:43 pm

I've only mounted one car tire so far, but I've done many motorcycle tires on my Wings.

The car tire actually seated more easily than a motorcycle tire. I have a big air compressor in my shop, I use a locking chuck to connect the air hose to the tire, then turn the regulator up until the beads both "pop". When I do a motorcycle tire, it usually takes about 60 PSI. When I did the car tire, it only took 40 PSI. I feel a lot safer when I can stand 15 feet away from the tire as the beads seat!

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by a1coverings » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:16 pm

check out darksiders as posted then take your mc tire at 60 miles an hour with no air in it an i"ll take my runflat dunnie ct i"ll visit you at cemetary after they scrape you off road i have no problem with what ever tire you choose just dont be a naysayer until you try one doesnt handle same as mc tire most say better its cheaper- last longer - holds more weight -better traction - stops faster -an rf doesnt go flat - other than all of us ds'ers crashing n burning life is good best mileage on ct has been on goodyear triple tread newest everyone seems to like is mich alpin 3 good luck n be safe miles = smiles on a wing

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Re: Auto Tire on the Rear, GL1800

Post by venture1 » Tue May 01, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm running a Kumho Ecsta 195/55 RF 16 87V on my 2008 Wing.
I'm also using Centramatic wheel balancers with this tire (thinking of trying Dyna Beads as well).
I really like it and that much rubber on the road when riding in the rain is very reassuring.



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