Dodge Neon Coil Compatability


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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by SteveB123 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:53 pm



Did the relay mod to my MSD Neon coil.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by littlebeaver » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:22 pm

Wow really,??? How does it work for you? Is it better to have a relay ? :D

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by Joecop » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:51 pm

Man, you guys and ur mods .... Now I'm gonna have to do this.

:mrgreen: My coils are original and need to go.

Todd where did those spark plug wires come from or off of?

Beav how long or how many miles u put on those neon coils? Also what plugs you running?

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by littlebeaver » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:25 pm

At least 4k by now,, no issues...

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by RoadRogue » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:07 pm

The plug wires came from any auto parts store I bought them as long as I could get them and cut them to lenght, also you still run the stock spark plugs. 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by littlebeaver » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:16 pm

Todd maybe you can tell me what the benefits of this Relay Mod. would be,,,,I read that you wouldn't fool with it but what is it supposed to do? In theory... :shock:

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by Joecop » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:26 pm

Todd,

Thanks for the info, u know a new duralast is 86.00 at autozone and the plug can be had for 11.00. Way cheaper than Accel by like a 100.00 plus u get a lifetime warranty.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by RoadRogue » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:50 am

littlebeaver wrote:Todd maybe you can tell me what the benefits of this Relay Mod. would be,,,,I read that you wouldn't fool with it but what is it supposed to do? In theory... :shock:
Sorry Beave ,its been a couple years now since I read about the relay mod and the coil mod , I have forgotten the detaoils of th relay mod by now. I do remember that I read about it on the Saunders site. I dont go there any more, maybe one of these other guys can point us to a link with the info 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by Gunnar Már » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:16 pm

HI all
I found one solution in this coil problem I think I´m going to try out, I´m a member in a v4honda board and there I got the idea to use modern coils from a CBR 600.
The coils are directly on top of the spark plug and wires just like the old coil two and two together.
I´ll post a link of the page but I don´t know if you can read it unless you are a member of the board.
Those guys say that all honda coils are 3 ohms and can be used. the only problem I can see is how far out the coil sticks out from the plug but I think it will be alright.
I don´t know when I´ll try this but now my riding session is over and few things I´m going to do to my girl in the winter so I´ll just have to see if I can get the time for this as well.

http://v4hondabbs.com/index.php?topic=64526.0

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by 80-GL100-INT » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:23 pm

Beav, I think this is the relay mod. being discussed... viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12522
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by penntoy123 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:36 pm

I was able to finish the relay mod today. Not to bad, I did take it for a short run. Not enough to make a determination if it did anything. Next is the coil swap out. I am debating between the cbr650 coils and the neon coil. If I use the neon coils, anybody have a suggestion on a wire set to buy?

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by littlebeaver » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:59 am

I just used the wires that Todd had on the coils...Perhaps he can say where they came from... :D

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by Britanicus » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:32 am

Being slightly retarded I am missing the whole point of this. Someone please explain whay you would put neon parts into your bike?

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by SteveB123 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:25 am

Britanicus wrote:Being slightly retarded I am missing the whole point of this. Someone please explain whay you would put neon parts into your bike?

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by jeffcosmo » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:17 pm

Having just done this, I think I might be able to clear up some confusion, or make things easier for some.

First, get Neon coils. As was stated, get a chunk of the harness, too. What year coils?? Not thinking it matters, but, since Neons are dime o' dozen in the 'yards, get an early set. Do remember what year (10th character in the VIN) so's you can easily source new, if such might occur. Also keep the bolts, just because you'll need them to remount the coil pack.

To install:
Remove shelter, air filter and housing down to aluminium distribution box, coolant recovery tank and set air compressor gizmo off to side. Unplug coil set. Unplug and remove electrical gubbins' "cage" and fuse box. Mark if you want, but all connectors are different. If in doubt, you can always match wire colour.

Remove spark plug wires from both ends and set aside. Undo coil mounts (2), wiring (set aside) and remove coils from aluminium brackets. Keep brackets.

Cut 4 pieces of steel strap about 40mm long. These will be to mount the Neon coils to the OEM brackets. Drill two 8mm holes in two pieces, about 20mm on centre. Bolt Neon coil pack to one bracket in a position that will hold the pack up as far as possible, whilst keeping the primary connector on the left of the bike. Match drill the last two pieces. Mount coil pack using either new bolts, or what you took off the Neon and Goldwing OEM mountings. You'll need 4 6mm nuts. Nyloks if you prefer, to keep them from vibrating off (vibrate?? Goldwing?? Nevermind, it's good practice.)

The wiring is fair simple: the middle Neon wire is power. The outside wires are for the coil nearest. Cut the Goldwing coil harness and Neon harness with enough to meet the Goldwing connector, and solder together. The GW blue wire is the (now) forward pack, the yellow, rear. The black/white wire is power, or the centre terminal on the Neon. Plug into Neon connector.

I purchased an MSD cut-to-fit spark plug wire set in black 8mm resistor core with 90° ends. Put wires on coil ends with a dab of your favourite electrical grease. Feed wires around air filter and lead towards plugs. Unscrew old plug caps and set upon plugs. Giving enough "play", cut wires and screw into caps. Remember that the forward coil ends are the forward cylinders, rear are for rear.

Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.

Hope this helps. It really was quite easy.

Cosmo.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by robert brown » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:26 pm

Does someone know if the dodge neon or another coil swap will work on a
1986 and 1985 Goldwing 1200 I Interstate carberated type
need help thanks to all..

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by RoadRogue » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:21 pm

robert brown wrote:Does someone know if the dodge neon or another coil swap will work on a
1986 and 1985 Goldwing 1200 I Interstate carberated type
need help thanks to all..
It should work just fine. 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by 91Veteran » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:44 pm

So I decided to do the Dodge Neon coil mod. After doing lots of other work to get my GL1100 in riding condition again, I found it seems to have a problem with a coil on one side with it spitting or backfiring intermittently. One day it runs great with only a minimal sputter which I took to mean my carbs still needed slight tuning, and another day it spits and backfires at a range of RPM's but particularly when letting off the throttle.

If I keep the RPM's above 3000 the bike seems to run fine, but no power at all when going up even a slight hill. Anything below 3000 and it lacks power unless I drop a gear and get the RPM's up again.

I bought a 1997 Dodge Neon coil from Napa, along with new plug wires and ends, and bought a pigtail connector for the coil. In removing the old coils tonight, I found the old plug wires fairly brittle.

I think I have the wiring figured out for the coil. The problem I found tonight after taking off the plug end caps is that two of them so far are reading open with a meter. I have the Goldwing service manual, and as I understand it, I should be reading 5K through them. I took them apart and measured just the resistor inside, and both read open. If that is the case, how would the bike even run?

I read somewhere, either in this thread or another that I can just put a nail in place of that resistor since I am using the Neon coil. Is that the case? I hope someone can chime in and tell me whether I can do that or not.

Looking forward to getting them in and running the bike.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by jeffcosmo » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:41 am

You can use either the resistor in the plug cap, with non-resistor plugs; OR resistor plugs with non-resistor caps. Both is too much resistance, it'll run, but not optimally.

Soooo, yes, you can replace the resistor with a nail, but I'd suggest something in brass, else the conductivity will suffer.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by 91Veteran » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:31 am

Thanks Cosmo. I have some brass brazing rod that would be perfect.

Edited to add: if I am using the rod, should I cut it to length and just eliminate the spring?

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by indianakid » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:41 am

if conductivity is the goal you should use copper.

the attached table came from here........
https://www.bluesea.com/resources/108/E ... _Materials
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by 91Veteran » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:17 am

Good point. Maybe I can find some ground wire.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by 91Veteran » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:59 pm

So I installed the 1997 Dodge Neon coils today, and all I can say is WOW!

I most certainly had a bad coil or plug wire on one side, and likely poor spark on the other 3. Prior to changing the coils, I had a problem with spitting or backfiring, and no power unless my RPM's were over 3000. Someone said somewhere on here about a GL1100 pulling your arms off. I don't think this bike has ever had as much power since I bought it years ago.

This thread is excellent at steps needed to make the change. The wiring is a little confusing since front and rear, top and bottom could be different depending on how the coil is finally mounted.

After getting the old coil and plug wires out, I started taking apart my plug caps. Thanks to Cosmo for the education on resistor plugs. Anyway, I replaced the resistor in each plug with a length of copper ground wire. I wish the quality of the pictures were better.


I checked each one with a meter, and found corrosion inside the cap such that the meter read open. I cleaned each one which then checked fine with the meter after putting it back together.

I used the old coil mounts and bolted them on to the new coil using steel plumbing strap. The strap has enough give to fit it in perfect, but still holds the coil fairly solid once mounted. Someone mentioned forgetting a green wire when doing their coils. Without the tip, I could have missed the green wire on mine.


After getting everything installed, it fired up pretty easily, so I took it for a quick ride. I'm still a little shocked at how much power it has now at all range of RPM's, and when getting on it a bit it took off like a rocket.

Finally, in another thread, someone mentioned removing his vacuum adapters and putting the screws back in after losing the little rubber cap on a ride. I had already lost one and know they come off fairly easy.

I picked up a pack of 4 #10 screw covers at a building supply store for under a buck. They actually fit a little tighter than the rubber caps, and I can carry extras with me.


I can't wait to take a longer ride tomorrow. Thanks all!

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by frodeem » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:08 pm

Doesn't the Neon coil not require the resistor? I can see from the Neon coil that Todd made that it doesn't have a resistor.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Post by DaveO430 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:52 pm

frodeem wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:08 pm
Doesn't the Neon coil not require the resistor? I can see from the Neon coil that Todd made that it doesn't have a resistor.
Not on an 1100. I have installed several without a resistor and never had a problem.



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