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Saw a commercial on TV last night. It was for a security company but they claim that according to FBI or DOJ, can't remember which, statistics, there are over 2 million burglaries in the United States each year.
They claim that in 1 in 3 cases, someone is home. Are they skewing the stats? Hell I don't know but all too often on the local news, I hear more and more home invasions where the owner/resident is injured or killed.
Rarely does someone defending themselves and their family from home invaders make the news but it happens, a lot. But our president has his agenda and these kind of stories don't fit.
The Second Amendment gives us a choice. When confronted by a criminal with evil intent, we can fight back or lay down and wait for the Police to draw a nice chalk outline around our body.
The crime rate isn't getting better. If I choose to exercise my Second Amendment rights, that is my choice.


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Couple of weeks ago, in St Cloud Florida, a woman shot and killed a home invader. The woman was a dispatcher at the local PD and her husband was a Deputy. The woman woke up to see someone in her bedroom, so pulled out her trusty anti-Obama 38 from under her pillow, and opened fire.
The "invader" that she killed happened to be her daughter. Another successful defense of an American home.
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Slowly 'the criminal' has been getting more rights than citizens in there own home.
Protect yourself in your home you are micro-scoped as if you instigated the incident.

Things like this make me wonder who's side our politicians are on, the criminals or taxpaying, legal, law abiding citizen?
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A few weeks ago I read about a woman home alone with her children. Three individuals broke into her home.
She armed herself and successfully drove them away.
Hmmm...the story about the deputy sheriff's wife accidentally shooting her daughter should have made national headlines under this administration.
Oh, of course, there's one reason only crickets are heard from D.C.
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OldZX11Rider wrote:A few weeks ago I read about a woman home alone with her children. Three individuals broke into her home.
She armed herself and successfully drove them away.
Hmmm...the story about the deputy sheriff's wife accidentally shooting her daughter should have made national headlines under this administration.
Oh, of course, there's one reason only crickets are heard from D.C.
It did make national headlines. What never makes the headlines is the countless successful incidents where the criminal is either driven off or stopped.

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suvcw04 wrote:Couple of weeks ago, in St Cloud Florida, a woman shot and killed a home invader. The woman was a dispatcher at the local PD and her husband was a Deputy. The woman woke up to see someone in her bedroom, so pulled out her trusty anti-Obama 38 from under her pillow, and opened fire.
The "invader" that she killed happened to be her daughter. Another successful defense of an American home.

If the woman slept with a hand gun under her pillow, there is more to this story than is being told.

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WingAdmin wrote:
OldZX11Rider wrote:A few weeks ago I read about a woman home alone with her children. Three individuals broke into her home.
She armed herself and successfully drove them away.
Hmmm...the story about the deputy sheriff's wife accidentally shooting her daughter should have made national headlines under this administration.
Oh, of course, there's one reason only crickets are heard from D.C.
It did make national headlines. What never makes the headlines is the countless successful incidents where the criminal is either driven off or stopped.
That is SO true!! If it doesn't fit the "agenda", it doesn't make the news. Same here in Canada, although it's a little more blatant. The left-wing Liberal party offered our national "news" service, the CBC, hundreds of millions of dollars (the CBC is publicly-funded, but Liberal-controlled - sort of like Pravda) if the Liberals were elected. The CBC, naturally, put enormous amount of effort into slamming the Conservative party, and it worked. Our news consists solely of that which specifically fits the Liberal Party's agenda.

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You only get one chance to need a gun and not have one.
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Update: Virginia has just reversed the decision to not recognize other states CCPs. They will again be recognized.

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dingdong wrote:Update: Virginia has just reversed the decision to not recognize other states CCPs. They will again be recognized.
In all basics, THIS is ARS'9.
Supposed to be "UNITED [not divided] States of America".
Something this important that WILL be a felony if you're caught in a different state with a legal weapon.
It's wrong JUST WRONG.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a FOID card Federal?
'Conceal & Carry' is State level?
They should be on the Fed level.... including any other extraneous [nincompoop :evil: ] permits.

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(copy and pasted)Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arm's length and never say "I've got a gun". If you feel you need to use deadly force, for heaven's sake let the first sound they hear be the safety clicking off. They shouldn't have time to hear anything after that if you are doing your job. (copy and pasted)
let the first sound they hear is one being dropped in the chamber...that sound is not mistakable with a n y t h i n g else! :lol:

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Kind of an old thread, but what the heck. I very much disagree but with the utmost respect for your opinion - never let someone inside 21 feet. That is the distance they can cross and kill you with a knife or impact weapon before you can aim and fire accurately.

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And if someone is in your home, there had better be one in the chamber already. There's no time for tapping, racking, messing with the safety, aiming, and shooting. And if that's what you do in training, that's what you'll do in real life. Officers and civilians have been known to tap and rack, drop magazines, squeeze off only one shot, and other fatal behaviors because that's what they did in training. You fall to the level of your training.

Likewise, don't try to "wing him". Address and neutralize the threat. Unless you live in New York, then when the criminal entered your house he reduced your and his life options to a short, very unattractive list... Die or go to prison for both of you. On second thought, die or go to prison for you, and die or get back out on the street the next day for him.
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Well, I wish that we had a 2nd amendment here in Canada.

Our federal government just announced today that in two days time (Friday) they will be banning 11 types of sporting and hunting long guns in Canada. A quarter of a million firearms are to be seized and destroyed from licensed firearms owners. Immediately after that, they will be banning ownership of handguns in cities, and possibly municipalities. These bands are intended solely against those who hold federal firearms licenses. No action at all is planned against criminals, or those who possess firearms illegally. That is one of the dangers of socialism.

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I can't believe someone dragged up a four year old thread that inho should have been blocked back then, just to hear more of the weary same old same old, except that now it seems to be only the gun lobby posting.
Reading the sad new posts makes me realise how lucky I am to live in a country where, if someone breaks into my home, I can be 98% certain that they will not be armed and that 2% probably means a knife.
But I realised back then that discussions, if that's what it is, like this are absolutely pointless. Entrenched attitudes and beliefs are not going to be changed in any way and threads like this usually degenerate into a mud-slinging match or political point-scoring, rather like it did back in 2016; so I will not respond to any answer.
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Old Fogey wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:44 am

I can't believe someone dragged up a four year old thread that inho should have been blocked back then, just to hear more of the weary same old same old, except that now it seems to be only the gun lobby posting.
Reading the sad new posts makes me realise how lucky I am to live in a country where, if someone breaks into my home, I can be 98% certain that they will not be armed and that 2% probably means a knife.

But I realised back then that discussions, if that's what it is, like this are absolutely pointless. Entrenched attitudes and beliefs are not going to be changed in any way and threads like this usually degenerate into a mud-slinging match or political point-scoring, rather like it did back in 2016; so I will not respond to any answer.
If you don't want to respond you should have just posted that last sentence and left out the first part. You want your opinion heard but don't want to hear mine. ??????

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Old Fogey wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:44 am
I can't believe someone dragged up a four year old thread that inho should have been blocked back then, just to hear more of the weary same old same old, except that now it seems to be only the gun lobby posting.
Reading the sad new posts makes me realise how lucky I am to live in a country where, if someone breaks into my home, I can be 98% certain that they will not be armed and that 2% probably means a knife.
But I realised back then that discussions, if that's what it is, like this are absolutely pointless. Entrenched attitudes and beliefs are not going to be changed in any way and threads like this usually degenerate into a mud-slinging match or political point-scoring, rather like it did back in 2016; so I will not respond to any answer.
When I saw this thread pop up I wondered the same thing Old Fogey. But, here it is.

I seem to be rapidly sneaking up on old fogey status myself. Although still somewhat capable I might be fooling myself to think I can go toe-toe with a 20ish intruder or intruders bare handed or even with knives. If you can, good for you. Really!

I would rather not be forced into a hand to hand or knife fight if I have the option and or ability to fend off an intruder or intruders at greater than arms length. Based on probability, it will be unlikely that I am forced into either situation, but situations like this remind me of parachutes, which would be ridiculous to carry around until you need one. Much the same is said about automobile seat belts & insurance or a fire extinguisher in a kitchen.
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Don't worry, he'll respond... :roll:
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Well, our socialist leader did it. Didn't just ban AR-15's and similar semiautomatic rifles - he's lumped in .22's and others, calling them "military-grade assault weapons", a term he made up himself. The list of newly-prohibited firearms is 1,500 items long, and includes several .22LR plinking rifles.

As of yesterday, 2,200,000 Canadians were made criminals. Not just in the minor, regulation-type crime sense, but in the going-to-prison-for-life sense. As of now, anyone possessing one of the 1,500 named firearms is subject to decades in prison...even though they are checked by the RCMP *daily*. Yes, daily. Now, we have to wait for our socialist dictator to decide our fate & tell us what we have to do to stay out of prison.

By the way - there was no debate, no legislation, no discussion, no consultation on this. He personally decided he was going to do it, and he did it. Period. He simply made a new law, which contravenes several other laws, including the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code of Canada.

Of course, he was emboldened by his recent success in shutting ALL Canadians' rights, so I guess he figured he would ban firearms while he was on a roll. He says that next he's going to turn over handgun bans to cities across the country (by law, this is solely a federal jurisdiction matter, but he's decided, all on his own, to forget about that little detail).

A very large number of firearms owners are already planning on (or are already in the process of) moving to the US & saying goodbye to Canada forever. I wish I had the ability to do the same.

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Although no one mentioned it, many of us carry a concealed weapon so that we might be able to protect others who may be preyed upon by a criminal element. We also protect ourselves and family. My goal is to never have to hurt anyone & I feel the best way to realize this goal is to stay away from dangerous places & people. So far it's working & I'll be 75 in a few days.

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I just finished reading this whole string. It seems that there are still a lot of uneducated people that think we have "automatics" instead of a semi auto. Shows me how little that they know about this subject, but are going to tell us how we should do it. Kind of like those that are going to tell me about Viet Nam, but were never there.
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seelyark1 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 10:33 pm
I just finished reading this whole string. It seems that there are still a lot of uneducated people that think we have "automatics" instead of a semi auto. Shows me how little that they know about this subject, but are going to tell us how we should do it. Kind of like those that are going to tell me about Viet Nam, but were never there.
You're correct, of course, and it is not an excuse, but some are very confused by the differences between an "auto loader" vs "auto shooter."

The differences in a relatively homogeneous culture and a very heterogeneous one or the sparsely populated area versus a highly dense one are another thing that some folks have never experience on both sides.
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Considering the current world political climate ; I am ecstatic that I live in the a country with more personal freedoms , and liberties than any other on this planet . Our Founders had the foresight to enshrine the Second Amendment in our Bill of Rights as a protection against a over-reaching and over-bearing Government . Something sorely lacking throughout the rest of the world . Just ask those who lived for decades under the tight-fisted rule of the Kremlin , behind the Iron Curtain . Or those who now reside within the boundaries of Communist China . Think of Laos , Cambodia , and countless of Dictatorships around the globe , where the citizenry are dis-armed , by a "Benevolent" govt. that claims to take care of it's people . I have been to many of these places during my time in the military , and I will absolutely freakin guarantee you one very simple fact . "They can have my GUNS when they go CLICK" !

To my Scottish friend ; who seems to feel that "No One" has a right , or need , of a gun ....My Mothers Grandparents left your country seeking a better life for their descendants and came here as immigrants 100+ years ago . And 13 or 14 of their Sons and Daughters have fought in your politically created European Wars l & ll to help keep you gun-free people from falling under the rule of first the Kaiser , and then the Furher . Yup ! Us gun happy Yankees . My Fathers people came here during the American Revolutionary War , and my family has been serving the military of this country for over 200 years . When the British told us to surrender our guns .....WE SHOT THEM ! And sent them back where they came from .

I am a member of the National Rifle Association , Arizona Rifle & Pistol Association , a Vietnam Veteran of two tours , that served with a very elite Airborne Unit , similar to SAS , and as a American Citizen , I have the Right , the Privilege , and the Honor , to own and posess any firearm my govt. deems legal for possession by a private citizen . We ; the People , will never willingly give up our Second Amendment Rights without a fight . Ask the British how that turned out for them . :evil:

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Hats off to you, grindl. You should have included in your list of countries under a tight fisted rule the current Eurasian Union.

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How quickly they forget...



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They're coming! Air guns. Oh well.


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