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Leaves are slippery!!!

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I was out yesterday after we had a fair amount of wind and rain blowing leaves down over the past few days. There were a LOT of wet leaves on the road, and you know where they collect - the same place as pea gravel, on the insides of corners. Wet leaves are extremely slippery, and riding over them while in a turn is a sure way to find yourself kissing pavement in a hurry. Be careful out there!

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The other obstacle I found is the walnuts that are dropping from the trees. Bad if they hit you and bad if you hit them.
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golden highway wrote:The other obstacle I found is the walnuts that are dropping from the trees. Bad if they hit you and bad if you hit them.
I found that perplexing.
A walnut falls from the tree and smacks you in the forehead. Does it hit you or did you hit it?
On one hand the falling walnut was doing what it does naturally, you came along and hit it.
On the other hand, did that walnut wait to fall so it can hit you?
We may have to ask both Newton and Einstein on this dilemma. :shock:
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I live on a tree lined street and the trees are sick-a-more trees, we deal with leaves starting in july. because there are so few most neighbors don't bother to clean them up until they are way pass the point where it make a problem for someone on a motorcycle
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almost dropped the mighty ST 1300 while backing down my driveway, my foot slipped on a dry leaf
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detdrbuzzard wrote:almost dropped the mighty ST 1300 while backing down my driveway, my foot slipped on a dry leaf
Dry leaf maybe dry on the 2 outer surfaces but still wet inside. Once compressed said internal water oozes out and is the "slip".
An absolute dry leaf can be just as bad. Stepping on it at 90 degree to what it's on has grip but once you pass that 90 degrees that dry leaf becomes (in essence) powder. This powder is a dry lubricant, thus slip.

How do you tell which is more slippery? Step on said leaf[s] and turn around on the ball of your foot. I found the dry leaf has a little more friction but once grip is lost on a tire... you can/will go down.

As for me, I treat all leaves as if they were a layer of snow.

Couple of my invented/dreamed up definitions.
"Tootsie Rollers": Near invisible small twigs. They roll under your toes while stopped.
"Toe Coasters": Layers of wet leaves under your toes while stopped.
"Pavement Sliders" : Layers of wet leaves under your tires while riding.
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Another potential disaster is grass blown out on the roadway by some non-thinking jerk mowing his lawn. When I mow I always make two passes with the mower discharge blowing grass back onto the yard.
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rstoops1 wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:10 am Another potential disaster is grass blown out on the roadway by some non-thinking jerk mowing his lawn. When I mow I always make two passes with the mower discharge blowing grass back onto the yard.
Actually they are thinking. As in, if I blow this grass into the street I won't have to bag or rake. The lawn service people are bad around here. They intentionally blow leaves and grass into the street with their blowers.
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Instead of griping, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Check your state's vehicle code. In most (all?) states, there is a section in the VC that specifies what may be left on a public roadway (generally the two things are clear water and feathers from live poultry being transported). Grass and leaves are not likely to be on the permissible list. Write down the VC section number and keep it handy.

Call your local cop shop COLD LINE, talk to someone in Traffic Enforcement (a motorcop, if they have them), and tell them that you are going to be the guy who keeps calling about violations of this section, because of the danger that it poses to motorcycles. What you would like them to do is stop and tell people blowing grass and leaves into the street not to do it, and why. Get the name and badge number of the cop you talk to, make a record of the date and time. Ask what the fine is for violation.

Before you hang up, ask if there is someone else at the city/county/whatever that you should be calling instead. The officer you're talking to probably won't know, but has an incentive to find out, and will probably get back to you with the name and number of the bureaucrat that they would like you calling instead of them.

Call the bureaucrat, give the same info -- you will be calling (and making a record) when you see someone blowing grass and leaves into the roadway, and plan to go to the next city council/county commission meeting to bring up the subject, and ask that your Elect Officials pay attention to enforcement of this code, for safety. Ask if there is a city/county code covering this, and again, ask how much the fine is for violation.

It doesn't really take much to get something like this moving. The cop you talk to will mention it to the supervisor, who will mention it during roll call. The bureaucrat will mention it to the other people in the office. They will all mention it to gardeners . . .and your complaint turns this from CS into "legitimate cause for citation due to citizen safety complaints." I don't know any local government that isn't more than happy to get some money from code-violation fines, and you set that idea into their minds in your calls.

Then pass the word to other riders in your area, with the number to call when they see a bunch of stuff being blown into the street.

If you really want to make a cause out of this, you go to the council/commission meetings every month and ask for the stats on how many contacts were made with gardeners (by the third meeting, they'll have that info available). When things start looking better, thank the Elect Officials for looking after this dangerous situation, the cops and whatever department the bureaucrat works for, and the local gardeners who are making the effort to improve rider safety (what you say becomes public record -- if not word for word, at least the gist of it).

Total setup effort on your part is about 20 minutes, spread over two or three phone calls.
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They tend to be slippery, that's why I am really careful when the road is wet.
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At this time of year, mud is a big problem too as farmers plough fields and leave much of them on the road. As this motorcyclist delivering blood to a hospital found to his cost.
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My rides are mostly in Wisconsin.
Few years ago I noticed PEOPLE! started to blow their grass clippings onto the roadway, each year more were doing it.

One DUDE was cutting grass on an inside turn and blowing onto the road. As I come around that 30-mph turn I noticed it JUST!!! in time. My front tire started to slip out but I caught it. Oncoming traffic was a semi w-trailer, if I went down I'd be under that rig. I came to INCHES of that center line, and we know about semi's & trailer swing. :shock:
I went back and had several choice words with the idiot. All he could say was a meek sorry. As I left I looked in the mirror, he flipped-da-bird.

Lake Geneva, Wi., mex. landscapers were blowing leaves onto a narrow 2 lane roadway. It was the only road in & out.
I had plenty of time to stop and wait since the pile was about 4 ft high and across both lanes.

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I can tell you all about wet slippery leaves, and you don't have to be rolling along to get their effect.

2 years ago come next March, or about 20 months back now.

I was in a State Park camp-ground and got the little Piaggio MP3 scooter out of the Toy Hauler.
Was just tooling around slow like and stopped to visit with some camper folks.

Where I had stopped was on a downhill grade and there were Pine tree needles and Oak leaves, all wet from a more or less constant drizzling rain through the day.

Our visit was close to ending, say about 5 minutes?? when suddenly that scooter just laid down on its' side instantly, no warning, just went down.

My right shoulder slammed in to a big rock and I am just now able to regain full use of that shoulder..... for over a year, it hurt like hell to raise my arm up even with my neck..... Even now, I am just almost able to lift a gallon of milk and put it on the top shelf of the Fridge with my right arm.....

the Therapy folks ate up all of my Medicare benefits and I don't think what they were doing helped me at all, the magic Elixir is TIME.... 2 years of time..


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