2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS


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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by C-dub » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:16 pm



I won't buy one of these new ones. Mostly because I just got a brand spanking new, 0.6 mile, 2016 only 3 months ago today. I'll probably cross the 3k mile mark Monday getting to and from work and haven't taken any trips longer than 280 miles yet and no overnights. That won't come until probably early this spring.

Another reason is from stuff I've read from ya'll about buying one in the first few years after major changes have been made. Right about the time they do that is after they've kinda perfected and or fixed most of the issues/bugs in the current version. So, when the wife/financial planner said she wanted a bike again and we decided on a Wing, I told her we should get one now and not wait for a possible new model for 2018.

I'm not encouraged by the significant decrease in storage capacity, but that's been addressed by the possibility of aftermarket stuff that may make it a moot point. The only downside there is that it will cost more money for something that shouldn't have to. Due to the actual improvements I think, overall, it is a big step forward for the Goldwing. And maybe if I wear my new one out in 10 years I'll get one of these new ones after they've worked out the issues that will, undoubtedly, arise.

I'm also not pleased with the reduction in fuel capacity, but how many people currently fill the tank and then don't stop until it needs to be filled again? I talked with a bunch of friends yesterday about this and most of them stop for short periods every 100-120- miles or so just to stretch their legs or relieve themselves or whatever. None of them said that they ride straight until the tank needs to be filled again. I'm still pretty new to this, so what do I know? That last time I rode across the country I was 20 and on a GS1100E with no fairing at all and did ride until the tank needed gas a couple of times.


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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by eklimek » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:31 am

Concur.

The functional upgrade is expected to be the suspension. If it is not, they will be in the used market in two years. My colleagues still swear by their GL1500 and did not move up to the previous generation 1800. Lets see if they now move up and pay for the ride. Some will be forced to upgrade simply because of high mileage. Most will swallow hard before parting with that kind of money. Those with ready cash already have a 1800.

The transmission is appropriate for the target audience if smooth and predictable. The Afrika Twin is supposed to be very good. Keeping the smooth flat 6 with minimal hp upgrades is adequate. The weight precludes much benefit without much bigger increases.

I can't speak to the electronics. My cynicism makes me cringe if this fails outside of warranty. It does make this a software and hardware challenge for which I am not qualified.

The storage space is always a source of annoyance; no matter how much is presnt, some one will find it inadequate. The rest work around it.

When do we see a "Valkyrie"?

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Post by WingVetteGSXR » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:29 am

Mostly agree. But as you say, the storage issue for me is a complete non-starter. Enough to just have pulled my deposit. Waiting for what might be a year or two for OEM/aftermarket storage upgrades doesn't make me happy.
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:31 am
Concur.

The functional upgrade is expected to be the suspension. If it is not, they will be in the used market in two years. My colleagues still swear by their GL1500 and did not move up to the previous generation 1800. Lets see if they now move up and pay for the ride. Some will be forced to upgrade simply because of high mileage. Most will swallow hard before parting with that kind of money. Those with ready cash already have a 1800.

The transmission is appropriate for the target audience if smooth and predictable. The Afrika Twin is supposed to be very good. Keeping the smooth flat 6 with minimal hp upgrades is adequate. The weight precludes much benefit without much bigger increases.

I can't speak to the electronics. My cynicism makes me cringe if this fails outside of warranty. It does make this a software and hardware challenge for which I am not qualified.

The storage space is always a source of annoyance; no matter how much is presnt, some one will find it inadequate. The rest work around it.

When do we see a "Valkyrie"?

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by mweddy@gmail.com » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:26 pm

I noted a few issues that would be a problem for me: 1) No center stand. I use mine a lot. Especially during service times. 2) Fairing does not look like it protects hands. 3) storage. My wife packs lots of stuff, even for a day trip. 4) Engine complexity for an extra five HP? Maybe for an extra fifty. On a brighter note: I do like the new transmissions. Hopefully the cruising RPM is lowered a bit. My 2005 currently runs at 3500 RPM on the freeway. My Corvette cruises at the same velocity at 1500 RPM. (they both have about the same power to weight ratio).

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by detdrbuzzard » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:59 am

going from my 1500 wing to the mighty ST 1300 a few years ago I lost a lot of luggage capacity and had to get a dry bag to carry most of my cloths, I had the trunk on back then. lucky for me I don't have a passenger. I don't think of this new wing as an ST 1300 on steroids cause that would be a big weight gain and an even bigger fuel loss, I've gotten use to the mighty ST's 7.7 gallon tank ( i'll leave the 3 gallon fuel cell out of this ) and no way I would want a wing with less than six gallons, need it or not it's nice to have a little more gas than needed. I also know Honda didn't build this wing for someone like me, I am already thinking about my next bike and want something that weighs less then the mighty ST 1300 and holds at least six gallons of gas, that bmw 1200gsa is looking mighty good to me now days
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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by Mshneyer » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:49 am

oldwing1100 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:00 am
What a bunch of whiny old men that don't want to keep up with technology
I have ridden Goldwings since the first generation and each subsequent generation has been better than the previous one.
No one here has ridden the 2018 and yet many have preconceived notions of what they don't don't like about it.
Keep in mind all you old f@rts, you are not the target demographic for the 2018 wing it's the post millennial yuppy is what they are targeting, the ones with money, not just pension cheques.
If you want 50,000 litres of storage space buy a minivan. A real biker only needs a change of underwear and a credit card to travel.

Let the flaming begin.....
I like this post. Succinct. My reservations are with the new tech. Hiccups that'll need addressing. Since I just bought a 2015, I'm not in the market but a test ride is eminent. Could spell trouble for the wallet...

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Post by mweddy@gmail.com » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:50 pm

Ha Ha. No flaming here. Too tiring. Might need a nap after....

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by mweddy@gmail.com » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:52 pm

Anyway, the Goldwing is my mini van. I have a Ninja for when I want to carve corners at high speed. And the CRF250 for light trails, and the XR400 for serious off-road adventures.

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by twoweeled » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:56 pm

oldwing1100 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:00 am
What a bunch of whiny old men that don't want to keep up with technology
I have ridden Goldwings since the first generation and each subsequent generation has been better than the previous one.
No one here has ridden the 2018 and yet many have preconceived notions of what they don't don't like about it.
Keep in mind all you old f@rts, you are not the target demographic for the 2018 wing it's the post millennial yuppy is what they are targeting, the ones with money, not just pension cheques.
If you want 50,000 litres of storage space buy a minivan. A real biker only needs a change of underwear and a credit card to travel.

Let the flaming begin.....
Has nothing to do with a dislike of technology. Nothing at all. Just because it's a change, it doesn't make it an advancement or improvement.
I agree, since the first 1000's there have been improvements with new models. But I think this 2018 is the first time they will have really split the baby. Time will tell. It's true no one has ridden the bike yet, but the dislikes directed at smaller luggage and smaller fuel tank, are not preconceived notions. Those are specifically addressed. The thought of better MPG could be considered a preconceived notion, if you accept claimed weights, HP and MPG claims by the manufacturer should be taken with a grain of salt.
I think it's obvious, the ol farts are not the target demographic of the new 2018 wing. Unlike you, I'm not convinced yet the post millennial yuppy is going to be willing or able to compete with the ol fart's pension check. Look around and see who's been riding all those Goldwings. Look and see who has been willing to shell out $30K for a bike the last 20-30 years.
That youngster with $30K might be looking at a Road Glide or a Ducati, rather than a Goldwing.
50,000 litres of storage? No, not necessary. The amount we had before may have sufficed. Going backwards however, may not make sense to everyone in the Goldwing camp.

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by Bluesbrad » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:49 pm

I've owned five GL1800s and an Aspencade 1500...

I've read the reviews, watched the review videos, compared the two in person, and reviewed the specs of each; but it comes down to this, and is one of the most telling aspects of the two rides...

Previous GL1800 Speedometers top out at 150mph

2018 GL1800 Speedometer tops out at 130mph

The answer is NO…

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by twoweeled » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:46 pm

Bluesbrad wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:49 pm
I've owned five GL1800s and an Aspencade 1500...

I've read the reviews, watched the review videos, compared the two in person, and reviewed the specs of each; but it comes down to this, and is one of the most telling aspects of the two rides...

Previous GL1800 Speedometers top out at 150mph

2018 GL1800 Speedometer tops out at 130mph

The answer is NO…
Damn! How did I miss that? :lol: Even more No now! No, maximus!

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by 823JIM » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:02 pm

Bluesbrad wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:49 pm
I've owned five GL1800s and an Aspencade 1500...

I've read the reviews, watched the review videos, compared the two in person, and reviewed the specs of each; but it comes down to this, and is one of the most telling aspects of the two rides...

Previous GL1800 Speedometers top out at 150mph

2018 GL1800 Speedometer tops out at 130mph

The answer is NO…
Don't worry about the 130 mph speedo you'll never see it as they have a speed limiter that shuts them down at 112 mph.

"Speed Limiter

Unfortunately, Honda put an upper limit on the fun by adding an electronic speed limiter, which is set at 112mph, or 180km. The limiting is done internally in the engine control module (ECM). I expressed to the Honda design leads who were present at the event that I thought this should at least be 120mph and that 112 seemed a little low to me. My advice would be not to try to outrun the police on this bike or use it to haul moonshine."
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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by Bluesbrad » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:27 pm

Yep, I've heard of the governing of the 2018 and it saddens me so...
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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:34 pm

Bluesbrad wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:27 pm
Yep, I've heard the the governing of the 2018 and it saddens me so...
Shouldn't make any real difference, not very may places where it is legal to drive faster than 80 mph anyway.
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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by 823JIM » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:00 am

AZgl1800 wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:34 pm
Bluesbrad wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:27 pm
Yep, I've heard the the governing of the 2018 and it saddens me so...
Shouldn't make any real difference, not very may places where it is legal to drive faster than 80 mph anyway.
Yeah but isn't kind of like buying a registered quarter horse with a bad leg? The seller says it will fine if you just walk or trot but don't expect it to run. Oh yeah he is going to charge you full price because it is a quarter horse after all.
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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by MikeB » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:31 am

So, buy a different horse.
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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by Bluesbrad » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:01 pm

Better yet, keep the horse you currently have.

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by twoweeled » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:03 pm

MikeB wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:31 am
So, buy a different horse.
That's sorta what I'm doing. I was looking at 2017's. It seems the prices had a real nice drop for awhile, but now the prices seem to have popped back up a bit? I assume I'm not the only one unhappy with the 2018 and looking for new 2017's. I may have to not only buy a different horse, I may have to go to a different stable in a couple of years. Mine is a 2009.

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:15 pm

Yes, I agree that a speed limiter is odd, and I don't understand why they did it, but how often is that going to be an issue for me?

I have issues with this bike also, primarily regarding storage, and the potential loss of range, but I'm buying one anyway. I used to pull a Bushtec, and wasn't too crazy about it, but a Unigo might be a possibility if they come out with a hitch. That would suffice for long trips. Day rides and shorter trips won't be an issue.

Too many upgrades to ignore. My current ride is an '03 Wing and it's served me long and well, but it's time to catch up with suspension improvements, even better handling, riding modes, electronic interface, etc. I'll probably own this bike for the rest of my riding years. Tour DCT. I've got my GSXR and a Corvette for other types of fun.

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

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MikeB wrote:
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So, buy a different horse.
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Post by twoweeled » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:43 pm

WingVetteGSXR wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:15 pm
Yes, I agree that a speed limiter is odd, and I don't understand why they did it, but how often is that going to be an issue for me?

I have issues with this bike also, primarily regarding storage, and the potential loss of range, but I'm buying one anyway. I used to pull a Bushtec, and wasn't too crazy about it, but a Unigo might be a possibility if they come out with a hitch. That would suffice for long trips. Day rides and shorter trips won't be an issue.

Too many upgrades to ignore. My current ride is an '03 Wing and it's served me long and well, but it's time to catch up with suspension improvements, even better handling, riding modes, electronic interface, etc. I'll probably own this bike for the rest of my riding years. Tour DCT. I've got my GSXR and a Corvette for other types of fun.
Buying soon? Let us know whatcha think. The suspension on mine is a bit of a sore too. I hear the 12's or 13's and above are improved over mine, but not sure how much. Good Luck!

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by kiptap » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:46 pm

In the 80’s I rode Kawasaki’s, GPZ’s. I used to take 2-3 day weekend trips to Michigan, 700 miles round trip, several times a year. I used a duffel bag strapped to the seat. I never seemed to have enough room. I used to see if I could make the trip in 5 hours, never could. I remember when Kawasaki Concours, it seemed like the answer but nothing rivaled the Honda Goldwing GL1500 when it first came out. I was thinking of switching loyalty, but back then, I could never afford one. I racked up 100k+ miles going back and forth until I suffered an accident crushing my ankle, ending motorcycling at the time. It’s fused today, you really can’t tell, but the dexterity to up-shift is not there.
Two years ago, in September, I had a late tax return burning a hole in my pocket when I ran into a deal for a used 1996 GL1500se, which I blindly purchased with quickness ending a thirty year hiatus. I had my dream bike finally. It was cosmetically in good shape but had lots of mileage, still a healthy machine. After insuring working condition per Honda’s user manual, I took it for out. My first impressions were not good.
• Insanely heavy, very top heavy
• Redlines immediately
• Unable to corner, need to force it into turns
• Unstable, buffeting at highway speed
• Unable to turn in a tight but reasonable circle
What a hunk of junk. As I started to ride it more I got the feel for the bandwidth, but still felt like I was short shifting all the time, absolutely a waste of gearing, so I thought. Then the bike died while taking on a short trip to the store. Turns out that was a blessing because it forced me to search the internet for fix/repairs. I joined Goldwing Docs and the North American Goldwings Community and fixed the bike myself with everyone’s advice, thank you all again. I went to a “meet and greet” hosted by NAGF and the guys provided me with real Goldwing rider advice such as to forgo the Honda manual spec of 33lbs tire pressure and set it to 41/40. Which I did and the cornering improved and the buffeting was reduced and no more cupped tires. During the winter I took the time to go over the entire bike checking and/or replacing every bearing, bushing, or consumable on the bike. I then addressed the areas where I thought the bike was lacking.
• Weak headlights
• Melted dash due to sun and a tall Tulsa windscreen
• Soft suspension
• No USB charging ports
• No Aux Music iPod port
• No Bluetooth ready anything
• No Navigation system
• Inconsistent low gas notification
• Lack of wind cooling behind Tulsa windscreen
So, I replace the headlights with LED’s, replaced the dash bezel and all dash lights with LED’s, and replaced all handlebar controls, radio, and CB lights with LED’s. I installed progressive fork springs, installed a fuse block and added USB charging ports, added an Aux port to the radio, installed SENA Freewire, mounted a ram mount for my iPhone and NAV app, and installed a float switch in the gas tank for low fuel LED. Installed Baker’s wings to direct air flow. Everything was awesome, it was doable for touring in my mind, so, I took a trip to the Smokey Mountains Blue Ridge Parkway. Whereas I found out that fully loaded, it was more than insanely top heavy making it harder to due tight circles. I dropped the bike a few times and broke the clutch handle. Driving at highway speed was unsettling at times due to buffeting. All in all a great trip and a great time. What I learned was, coming from the flat lands of Illinois I see the benefit to opening the throttle and just powering up a hill without downshifting, just fantastic engine torque out of the Goldwing, that’s what that short bandwidth is all about I figure. I found that I over packed for that two week trip, I didn’t use half of what I packed. Also I needed to give wide berth when turning when on inclines or you will capsize. There are quite a few gas stations to get gas so no real need to carry another gallon of gas. It gets hot, very hot, and although I installed Bakers wings, there was never enough wind flow to stay comfortable even in a mesh suit. I also noted something while on my trip, several times I met up with other bikers that were touring, yet they were on very light bikes with metal removable panniers; groups from Canada, New York and from North Carolina and well as several others. They didn’t seem dismayed about the size of their cycles or the storage space they had, yet were out there touring. That appeared to be the new trend. As the riding season was coming to a close, I got an email from one of the forum guys to take a ride, I obliged, and took a five hour tour, but upon returning home, I became fatigued and had an accident which totaled my Goldwing. At first I thought well, that was that. I did not want to go and redo up a bike again so my biking days are done. I had put 22k+ miles on that bike in less than a year and though I had had my fill. As cold weather set in, I came to grips that I had to drive the car to work again and my cycling days were over.

And now the long drawn out point…

Then enters the 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT. At first, I said no I’m done. Then I came up with every reason why it was a bad bike, fueled by the forums. Yet, I was bikeless and the motivation still burned inside. So I decided to examine the cons of the new GL1800D. Turns out a lot of cons seem to be pros or no big loss for me.

The Cons
• Bluetooth ready vs cabling; that’s a win for me
• Gas mileage vs fuel capacity; alleged same travel distance, that’s a win for going to work
• Small trunks, well, who would want more; that’s a con but I over packed anyway
• No increase in engine power; I thought the 1500 was overpowered
• Not comfortable 2-up; I currently ride alone; that’s a push
• Noisy pipes; not a big deal to me; that’s a push
• Smaller windscreen; after the Tulsa, I desire the wind through my helmet ports; that’s a win
• No highway pegs; I took mine off, never used them; that’s a push
• No tip-over bars; that’s a con but it’s mitigated with the weight loss (reason below)
• No shifter; my fused ankle makes that a win
• No Android; I use an iPhone
• Price; well that’s a con, but at the moment I can afford it

From the forum, I think that’s all the negatives, now for the positives that I see as positive.

• Handling; alleged to be better, I sat on one, seemed soft suspension wise, a ride will tell
• Weight; I straddled a DTC and tossed it side to side using my legs to keep it from tipping over and I got to tell you it’s night and day. The overall weight is so low that the tip-over bars might not be needed. It’s such a huge difference the 1500 would be on its side way before this bike.
• 7-speed transmission, no foot shifter, walking mode forward and reverse, and hopefully a cruise control that will go over 75mph.
• Reduced wind buffeting, introducing wind flow behind the fairing, Adjustable height windscreen.
• Fancy FOB keyless start thing-a-ma-bob, lost key code starting procedure
• Specialized phone compartment with USB charging and Apple Carplay integration, USB charging, Bluetooth ready, and NAVI system, jog dial on the handlebars
• LED lighting, Homelink garage opener, TMPS built-in, outside air temp gauge
• Factory heated handgrips and seat

For me Honda has hit the mark, a sporty, non-shifter, technology loaded bike, with bags ample for weekend trips for one, that I can afford and at 55 I’m at the 21% ownership range per viewtopic.php?t=17196 and I still get to stay in the Goldwing community. Sorry to be selfish but Honda seems to have made a great bike for me. I get mine in June.

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Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:19 am

kiptap wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:46 pm

For me Honda has hit the mark, a sporty, non-shifter, technology loaded bike, with bags ample for weekend trips for one, that I can afford and at 55 I’m at the 21% ownership range per viewtopic.php?t=17196 and I still get to stay in the Goldwing community. Sorry to be selfish but Honda seems to have made a great bike for me. I get mine in June.


and that is why Honda made the big change....
no manufacturer will ever be able to satisfy everyone.
but the DCT is going to find a good following IMO for folks in your situation.
Bad feet.... that can't shift well anymore... or folks with arthritic hands that can't handle a clutch like they used to.

Please do come back and let us know how your new DCT fits your needs.
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Location: Bolingbrook, IL
Motorcycle: 2018 Goldwing Tour GL1800DJ

Re: 2018 GOLDWING SPECIFICATIONS

Post by kiptap » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:27 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:19 am
Please do come back and let us know how your new DCT fits your needs.
I'll tell ya at NASR-11 if I get the bike in time. I booked a room this time, just in case my luggage capacity was too small. :D



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