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Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Uncle Fester » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:39 pm



I recently had a chance to do some distance riding with one of my best friends and his club, a 1% support club. Any way, going down the interstate, they ran HARD, as in 85mph to as much as 100mph. My poor , some what tired, GL1500 just could not hang. After about 100 miles of riding down, we made a fuel stop and I told them I would break off and run solo, meeting them at the party in Dallas/Fort Worh, they told me, “Not happening” and asked how hard I can run with out pissing off my bike, so I told them between 75 & 80mph was about all my bike likes as that is 3500 or so rpm on a 5500 redline. They said no problem and slowed down for the rest of the trip. But it showed me that my bike is NOT designed to run that hard. Yes I can do 100 plus for short amounts of time, but for a solid hour, no.
So, I am trying to decide, do I step up to a first gen GL1800, or get off the Goldwing and look in to a 96ci/6spd dresser from HD ?
Please, do not make this a thread about running that hard, I am a retired patch holder, and am considering going back, and that is how we roll. . .


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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by DaveO430 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:59 pm

I don't like to run that hard either, 75 is plenty fast on the slab. The bike is plenty capable of much faster but not for me. I do my hard running on the twisty roads.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:26 pm

both of my 1500s, a 94SE and '98SE would run 115 mph flat out, both had Tulsa Tall windshields.
But that is scary for me, and the gas tank range is about 125 miles max. The '98SE I ran at 85 mph all day long once coming through Louisiana heading home to Arizona back in '06.... the mpg dropped to 22 mpg....

I can run 85 on the 1800 easy enough, but that is still "too fast" for me to be "comfortable".

70+3 is about my top slab speed, I set the cruise at +3 to avoid speed traps, but when we went over to Arkansas last Wednesday, part of our route on 412 was posted at 75....

Redbud ( Jim ) and I left the cruise right where it was at 73 and said "good enough".... the "time saved" is so minuscule as to be not noticed.

throw in a fuel stop, plus one rest stop, and the guys over there at Granny's kitchen had to wait on us about 45 minutes. I accused them all of being "late"... we had a good laugh.

On the way home, about an hour plus a few minutes, Jim and I stopped at a convenience store and had a BS session for another 90 minutes.... I really enjoyed the day, was comfortable, and getting together with my friends was great.
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by detdrbuzzard » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:06 am

I've slowed down since passing the 100,000 mile mark on my 1500 wing. I use to cruise 85mph all the time but now days 70 - 80mph. while I've done the ton a couple times ( or more ) that's not what I got the wing for
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Scooter363y » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:18 am

Man that is waaaay too fast for me. But I live in Ohio where 2-3 over will get you a ticket 4-8 can get your bike taken. And 10 over the limit...well let's just say your not going anywhere for quite a while!

A friend of mine that works at the Local courthouse has told me he heard this little snippets from local Leo's

" if your over by eight then you're probably going to skate
If your over by nine the choice is mine
If your over by ten I'm taking you in"

Entertaining little ditty but like I said I live in Ohio nuff said

I enjoy a nice relaxing (slow) ride. I don't ride much if any over the limit. Not giving up my money to the local law enforcement revenue generating division.
And I just cannot see why I would want to make the time I spend doing something I like any shorter! I sometimes like riding the back roads cruising at 50 and just taking it all in.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by themainviking » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:33 am

I also am an ex patch holder, who rode Harleys for 45 years. I never owned a Harley that was happy running at 100MPH, but they are pretty much made to run from 75 to 85. It is the sweet spot on any Harley I owned. I now have a GL1800, and it will run at 85, but one must realize that it is not the sweet spot. The actual sweet spot on my bike is below 3000 RPM. This gives me about 65 MPH. Now the only thing that happens at above 3K RPMS is that my fuel economy drops off. The bike will go there and stay there all day. And it will do it much smoother than any Harley ever built.

That said, if you are considering returning to the 1% patched life, there is really only one answer, isn't there. Any 1% has to ride Harley to be a patch holder. At least that is what they rode when I was with them.
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by wing rider 2012 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:30 am

My GL 1500 was comfortable riding down the hiway at 65-70 mph all day long, my GL 1800 is the same, however, it will do just fine at 85-90 mph. I like to ride to enjoy the ride, so I stay off the interstates as much as possible.
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by TwoTone Trike » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:36 pm

Hey Scooter, I'm with you. Nice and easy and enjoy the scenery. Wing Rider, I agree the interstate is not the place for me. Viking, you're right about the sweet spot, at least the older Harleys. Albeit I have an old 53 Panhead that will run 120+ when I ask her to. Fester, Viking is correct about the 1% ride. There can be only one.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Uncle Fester » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:29 pm

Thanks for all the replies guys, you have helped me make up my mind. It will have to wait until tax season 2019, but a 2007 or newer (96ci & 6speed) HD it will be. My day to day riding is in the 65-75mph range, but when the Pres says “mount up” and sets the pace at 85 plus mph, well, you ride and ride hard, that’s just how it is.
I will now have to decide, do I do the stereo mods I have planned, or leave it as is for the next owner to make his or her mods. . . . ? Oh well, until then, I will enjoy the ride and on the few club rides I can or will be doing, have them meet me part way and keep it below 85. Wish me luck ! Lol
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by TwoTone Trike » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:38 pm

Good luck. You've got a lot to look forward to. I don't think you'll regret it. Even though I ride a Goldwing trike I still have Harley in my blood. Always has been always will be. Until then ride safe. Tony

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by DaveO430 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:10 am

I guess you are just looking for an excuse to get back on a harley, even though that 1500 and for sure an 1800 goldwing would melt a harley down trying to keep up with them. Good luck.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Stew » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:17 am

I was thinking about this thread after reading the Gold Wing book I mention here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=42127

It says "...The GL1500, as with all Honda engines, was repeatedly tested to destruction to ensure durability at high rpm and high load. Every part that broke was redesigned until it could shrug off such abuse and run at full-throttle at the edge of the red zone for 100,000 kilometers."

So although it may be unsettling in your mind sustaining 3500-4000 rpm for a while, even at that you're not pushing it that hard.
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Post by WingAdmin » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am

Stew wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:17 am
I was thinking about this thread after reading the Gold Wing book I mention here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=42127

It says "...The GL1500, as with all Honda engines, was repeatedly tested to destruction to ensure durability at high rpm and high load. Every part that broke was redesigned until it could shrug off such abuse and run at full-throttle at the edge of the red zone for 100,000 kilometers."

So although it may be unsettling in your mind sustaining 3500-4000 rpm for a while, even at that you're not pushing it that hard.
If you think about it, this is pretty much exactly how every airplane engine is run, all the time. Which is why they are typically torn down and rebuilt (at a cost of $20,000+) after every 2,000 hours of operation...and why they can cost $40,000 and upwards new - and that's for a little O-360 Cessna engine.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Uncle Fester » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:59 am

DaveO430 wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:10 am
I guess you are just looking for an excuse to get back on a harley, even though that 1500 and for sure an 1800 goldwing would melt a harley down trying to keep up with them. Good luck.
Dave Sir, the problem with that thought, I have never owned a HD, and only ridden one a few short miles in the 35 years of riding. It has always been Yamaha’s for me prior to this Goldwing. A XS-1100c, a XS-650 twin, more than a few Yamaha Venrure Royale1300 & even a VW powered trike for awhile, but never a HD.
Like a lot of kids, I dreamed of a HD growing up, even used two playing cards in the spokes of my bike to TRY to get that HD sound, it didn’t work, but I have never owned one, and after some research on them and the model years I will be able to afford, I may never own one now. . . . a twin cam is my best hope of owning one, and there are some serious issues with the cam chain and adjuster, enough issues to make me say . . . Naw!
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Uncle Fester » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:03 am

Stew wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:17 am
I was thinking about this thread after reading the Gold Wing book I mention here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=42127

It says "...The GL1500, as with all Honda engines, was repeatedly tested to destruction to ensure durability at high rpm and high load. Every part that broke was redesigned until it could shrug off such abuse and run at full-throttle at the edge of the red zone for 100,000 kilometers."

So although it may be unsettling in your mind sustaining 3500-4000 rpm for a while, even at that you're not pushing it that hard.
Interesting Stew, I will have to look into getting that book , from the library if possible, and read it. After asking this question in a few different places, you are not the first to point this out to me. Either way, the GL1500 will be gone next tax season, to be replaced with a __________? Most likely a GL1800 as it stands right now. Thanks again for the input.
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by Uncle Fester » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:08 am

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Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am
If you think about it, this is pretty much exactly how every airplane engine is run, all the time. Which is why they are typically torn down and rebuilt (at a cost of $20,000+) after every 2,000 hours of operation...and why they can cost $40,000 and upwards new - and that's for a little O-360 Cessna engine.
Every 2000 hrs ? I would be so screwed in the wallet ! Lol I have put 80K miles in the 3 years I have owned the bike, how many hours do you think that is ? I came up with 1,777 IF I maintained a 45mph over all average.....IF
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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:39 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:08 am
WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am
If you think about it, this is pretty much exactly how every airplane engine is run, all the time. Which is why they are typically torn down and rebuilt (at a cost of $20,000+) after every 2,000 hours of operation...and why they can cost $40,000 and upwards new - and that's for a little O-360 Cessna engine.
Every 2000 hrs ? I would be so screwed in the wallet ! Lol I have put 80K miles in the 3 years I have owned the bike, how many hours do you think that is ? I came up with 1,777 IF I maintained a 45mph over all average.....IF
Most owners bury it in their operating costs, and donate regularly to an "engine fund" so that when overhaul time comes due, the money is there. Figure $110-$120 per hour operating cost for a little Cessna.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by DaveO430 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:06 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am


If you think about it, this is pretty much exactly how every airplane engine is run, all the time. Which is why they are typically torn down and rebuilt (at a cost of $20,000+) after every 2,000 hours of operation...and why they can cost $40,000 and upwards new - and that's for a little O-360 Cessna engine.
That is mandatory though, right? Not that it actually needs it, would probably run just fine a lot longer.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by C-dub » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:26 pm

On three different bikes, which I've done trips longer than 300 miles per day on, I've found the "sweet" spot to be right around or just under 3k rpm on each of them. The speeds were a little different for each due to gearing. That was just where I was comfortable. My wife and I just did about a thousand mile round trip over to and around Hot Springs, AR, a few parks, and the Ouachita National Forest. While on the interstate just cruising we stuck to the speed limits, so our speeds were up as high as 75 and that was okay, but not really comfortable for me for all day riding. I can do it and so can the bike, but 60-65 is way more comfortable for me on the GW. The only problem is getting in everyone else's way if I tried that.

FYI, the Busa was just below 75mph at 3k, IIRC.
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WingAdmin wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:39 pm
Most owners bury it in their operating costs, and donate regularly to an "engine fund" so that when overhaul time comes due, the money is there. Figure $110-$120 per hour operating cost for a little Cessna.
Back in 1971, I bought a "brand new" overhauled Lycoming 160hp engine for $1,000
it was hanging from the rafters of the A&I's hanger....
He last ran it while it was mounted in a Pawnee spray plane.... he had the habit, as most sprayers do, of going under the Highlines so as to put the spray onto the edge of the crop....

well, this one time, the rudder hooked the lowest hanging wire, and he did a loop around the wires, sparks flying.
Plane "sort of" landed on its' wheels pranged.... the prop bit the dirt enough to curl it about 30 degrees on the end of one side....

He replaced the crank simply because after that sudden stop, he did not trust it anymore.

Then I came along some months or years later, and had a Piper PA-22 Tri-Pacer that needed a new engine....
He and I had been pretty good buddies for quite a while, and he said "Hey John, you see that engine up there wrapped in plastic? Give me $1,000 cash and it is yours, put it in the plane and take it up to Guymon, Oklahoma and have that guy sign it off.... I can't legally do that for you, as it was "my engine" and the FAA don't like things like that".

So, the Tri-Pacer had a 150 hp engine with 2,800 hours on it, so tired it could almost taxi out to the airstrip.... I bought a set of McAllen Gullwing Tips for the plane, had those installed with that new 160hp engine....

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by WingAdmin » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:36 pm

DaveO430 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:06 pm
WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am


If you think about it, this is pretty much exactly how every airplane engine is run, all the time. Which is why they are typically torn down and rebuilt (at a cost of $20,000+) after every 2,000 hours of operation...and why they can cost $40,000 and upwards new - and that's for a little O-360 Cessna engine.
That is mandatory though, right? Not that it actually needs it, would probably run just fine a lot longer.
It depends. If the plane is flown commercially, then yes, it is mandatory. If it is a private airplane, it is a "manufacturer recommendation" and many owners fly beyond TBO, basically "on condition" - watching the oil consumption, compression, and so on. It depends a lot on how the airplane is flown. Pipeline patrols who spend many, many hours at a constant speed and altitude, every day, their engines can get as much as 3,000 hours (2,000 hours being an average TBO for most engines of this type). Trainers, which are abused, with lots of alternating between full power and idle, will be lucky to reach TBO.

Also...when engines are remanufactured, the remanufacturers give you a core fee for your engine. The amount they give you drops tremendously as you get much beyond 400 hours past TBO. So most owners won't do this for financial reasons.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by cardinal » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:28 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:08 am
WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am
If you think about it, this is pretty much exactly how every airplane engine is run, all the time. Which is why they are typically torn down and rebuilt (at a cost of $20,000+) after every 2,000 hours of operation...and why they can cost $40,000 and upwards new - and that's for a little O-360 Cessna engine.
Every 2000 hrs ? I would be so screwed in the wallet ! Lol I have put 80K miles in the 3 years I have owned the bike, how many hours do you think that is ? I came up with 1,777 IF I maintained a 45mph over all average.....IF
Uncle Fester, Keep in mind that 2000 hours in a 120 mph aircraft is 240,000 miles. And the 2000 hours is "Tach time". Tachometers record hours in percentage of full power. So an engine that develops full power at 2500 rpm will only record .5 hours for every hour at 1250 rpm.

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Re: Is the 1800 any faster ?

Post by dtrider » Tue May 01, 2018 9:00 am

FWIW: this past weekend I lead our club on a 300 mile ride, with the last 120 on the freeway. Freeway speeds here are 80MPH and I pretty much maintained the speed limit except when we were passing trucks. For those periods I would take it up to 85/90 to get the group around the truck quickly. My 2012 'Wing didn't have any problems with those speeds.
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