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Post by WingAdmin » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:34 pm



So I was on my way to Cyclemax at lunch hour today to pick up some new filters for my bike. I saw traffic on the road up ahead, which is odd, being that it's a rural road. As I got closer, I saw cars stopped, and realized it was an accident. As I got closer, I saw a motorcycle laying on its side, and a pair of feet on the ground. I saw 3 or 4 people standing there looking at the rider on the ground. My first thought was, "oh no, the guy has been killed, and they're all standing there looking at the horror."

Then I saw the guys feet move, and realized he was alive, but nobody was helping him - they were just standing there watching.

I pulled my car over and got out, as I did, I saw a line of blood draining off to one side. I grabbed the QuickClot trauma kit that I carry in my bike and in my car and ran over.

He was a man of about 60. His shoes were off to one side - for whatever reason, any time I've seen a motorcycle accident (including my own), the rider's shoes always seem to be ejected off the rider's feet.

He was laying on his back, with blood coming from his head. I could see the impact mark on the ground where his head had hit the asphalt. There was some flesh and hair there.

No helmet.

He had some other superficial road rash, as all he was wearing was a pair of jeans, a flannel shirt, some shoes and sunglasses.

He was trying to get up, I got him to lay still, put the QuickClot sponge and some gauze on his head, and held his head to prevent him from moving his neck. I could feel the gravel and grit ground into his head as I applied the bandages.

He was awake, but clearly concussed. He could tell me his name, but didn't know what day it was, where he lived, or his telephone number. He did know that his motorcycle was white. He did not know he had been in an accident, and was not aware that he was injured. He kept asking where his wife was, and where my mother was - I think he thought I was his son? I kept him talking and continued to reassure him and try to keep him still. That was the hardest part - being concussed, he was convinced there was nothing wrong, and really did not want to be laying there on the road.

Within 10 minutes or so, EMS arrived, bundled him up and took him away.

Apparently, from the onlookers, he had been following too close to a car, and when the car slowed to turn right, he panicked, locked it up, and went down. As he did, the front wheel hit the post of a mailbox, high-siding him and flinging him off the bike, where he landed on his head, on the road.

Thing is, if he had been wearing a helmet, he more than likely would have walked away with a bruise or two.

I will never understand why people don't wear helmets.

The mailbox post he hit
The mailbox post he hit


EMS getting him ready for transport
EMS getting him ready for transport


His bike and first aid debris
His bike and first aid debris




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Re: No helmet

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:56 pm

we can't make them wear a helmet, it is their choice, but it is one very stupid, inconsiderate choice.

the rider's families are always the ones who suffer the most, lost family, lost income and status in life.
and more.

it just takes 1 second to change the course of a bike, and the direction the rider takes after that is never good.

I need to get some of that stuff and put it in my bike, and our car & truck.
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Re: No helmet

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:21 pm

Glad you were able to assist the rider - he was lucky to only have those injuries and not a lot worse.

ATGATT

I think from viewing the photos - it was a low speed highside - didn't seem to land too far from the bike...lucky man IMHO.

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Re: No helmet

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:28 pm

~John

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Re: No helmet

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:31 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:28 pm
eBay for $17.49

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Amazon for $16.00 with free shipping:

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Re: No helmet

Post by bryanw1 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:49 pm

Two objections to using a helmet seem to dominate these conversations. 1: Reduced peripheral vision. 2: Increased risk of spinal cord injury due to the extra weight of the head. IMO #1 is not valid because if that is important, helmets are available that cause no reduction to vision. #2 is tougher because it has validity. Spinal cord injuries do occur that would not have without the helmet. Of course that doesn't take into account head injuries that might have as well. I think it all comes down to odds, or statistics.

I have about 25 years background driving trucks. Some drivers will not use a seat belt and they will cite instances where in a accident, had they not fallen low, below the dash, they would have been killed. This is usually due to the load coming forward, through the cab at about head level. Steel and lumber commonly do this, but a lot of different loads can as well. But there are many other ways to die in a truck, but regardless the cause, ejection is the most common cause of death. They happen in collisions, jackknifes, rollovers, etc. The odds of death or serious injury are far greater without a seat belt than with one. But the old objection is real. You can show someone a 100 examples of a helmet saving injuries vs. 1 where it caused one. But that won't change the result, because I think the primary reason for not wearing a helmet is the cool factor. I'll get all kinds of hate mail for this, but it's my opinion.

A close relative rides without one. Until recently he rode a chopper with a fully raked fork, ape hangers, and a number of other things that by his own admission made the bike not only dangerous, but super uncomfortable to ride. Most rides entailed hauling it in the back of a pickup, unloading and riding around an area for the function, and hauling it back. He would have never considered riding it 200 miles in one stretch. But when he did ride it he looked really cool, and there's something to be said for that.

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Re: No helmet

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:04 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:31 pm
AZgl1800 wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:28 pm
eBay for $17.49

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adventure-Medi ... SwEZdaMpH9
Amazon for $16.00 with free shipping:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BS2PW4/?tag=goldwingdocs-20 ... ingdocs-20
yeah,
I searched Amazon and didn't find anything below $22 at the time
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Re: No helmet

Post by Mh434 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:01 pm

Thanks, Scott!

I am a hard-core proponent for helmet use. Aside from my own personal experiences (I would be dead, now, twice over, if I didn't consistently wear a quality helmet), I spent about 20 years as a professional collision analyst & reconstructionist, responsible for all the serious and fatal collisions in my jurisdiction.

During that time, I investigated many, many motorcycle crashes. Without exception, those without a helmet, or those wearing "for novelty use only" (outlaw-biker-dog-dish-style plastic helmets), all died.

Certainly, this made my job easier, as the body was able to be left at the scene while I investigated. It's tougher when they're medivac'd out, as you have to work solely with photos, measurements, markings etc. This minor benefit to me was certainly not any kind of relief to the deceased's family and friends, however.

Here, we have mandatory helmet use, mandatory government insurance, and government-sanctioned (taxpayer funded) health care. Those who choose to flaunt helmet use, yet miraculously survive, seem to inevitably become an enormous financial burden on taxpayers, to the tune of millions of dollars per year each.

It's hard to imagine a more thoughtless gesture for your family and friends than riding bare-headed. I can only assume (after having to deliver such horrific news to countless families) that those riders simply didn't care about anyone but themselves.

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Re: No helmet

Post by seelyark1 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:33 pm

Oh, I can hear it coming like the blind man reading brail...something bad is going to happen, I can feel it.. LOL
Have had two accidents on bikes and sure was glad I had a helmet on.
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Re: No helmet

Post by mterraci » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:41 pm

I always wear a full face helmet. Don't care how hot it gets in Florida. I'll risk neck injury, etc. from the weight of the helmet.
I have no doubt that there will always be someone who says they would have been worse off without a helmet (or a seat belt in a vehicle), but the odds are against you. Can't take the self-proclaimed rare event and make it the rule. Too many studies show the safety gear works.

Helmet please.

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Re: No helmet

Post by minimac » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:12 am

Reminds me of the news story here in upstate New York some years ago when a big anti-helmet protest ride was staged. One rider, not paying attention, and either hit or almost hit the bike in front of him, went down and hit his head on the curb. It of course, killed him. It made that whole 'protest' sort of pointless, too.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/04/new.yo ... index.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-rider-di ... d=13993417

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Post by Stew » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:50 am

Just thinking of riding without a helmet makes me cringe. Get down on your hands and knees and start tapping your head on the pavement, it doesn't take much for it to start feeling uncomfortable, now imaging hitting your head on the pavement at 35 mph, 45, or whatever speed you're going when you wreck *shudders*.
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Re: No helmet

Post by brettchallenger » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:21 pm

You're getting to be a dangerous man to know Scott. You see so many accidents.
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Post by dvjoiner » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:21 pm

I used to be a 50/50 helmet head till I went down last fall 7 stitch's on the head and some road rash made me put  mine on all the time I won't even go a 100 yards down the road to get mail with out putting mine on 

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Re: No helmet

Post by CrystalPistol » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:35 pm

But he was so cool! …. he thought.

Had my come-off in Oct., '77 @ 70 mph. Heavy fiberglass BellStar 120, tumbled head over until rest, ripped shield off, scuffed paint, saved noggin(my head may not be pretty, but it looks better than this).






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Re: No helmet

Post by bryanw1 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:17 pm

The photos of that helmet give me flash-backs. Shortly after learning to ride a drunk hit me in the rear at 70 mph. I was doing 25, went over the hood, took out his windshield with my butt, and went upward. The policeman said that by the marks on the road, I went about 200 feet through the air before landing the first time. There is a lot to be said for being 17. A concussion, a tailbone that took a year to heal, a body sprain, and a good amount of road rash, but no broken bones and no internal injuries. I was back at work in four days sitting on a blow-up donut.

I don't have a picture of the helmet, but I kept it hanging up in my garage for a number of years. Took me eight years to get back on one. Twice I had money down on another, but would wake up with nightmares and cold sweats and took back my money both times. The helmet looked much like yours, but with two gashes at the top and down one side about 3/8 inch and a couple inches long.

Between the hearing the car hit me and landing, while tumbling through the air, I distinctly remember knowing what had happened and understanding that if I wasn't already dead, I would be in a split second. It was a feeling of peace that I've never been able to reproduce. The next thing I was aware of was a drunk bending over me slurring how sorry he was. Have to say, it was a huge let-down.

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Re: No helmet

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:23 pm

just posted on our Oologah Community Gossip page on Facebook,

two bikes down, ambulances have left, lots of red lights everywhere, traffic is stopped.

just north of town, and no more info than that for the moment.
Prayers to all involved in 169 going north. A bunch are people are stopped. I seen motorcycles. 💔 guys be careful watch out for our family and friends on their motorcycles. Please pray for everybody involved.
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Re: No helmet

Post by tamathumper » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:21 am

bryanw1 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:17 pm
The next thing I was aware of was a drunk bending over me slurring how sorry he was. Have to say, it was a huge let-down.
Very sorry to hear about your accident, but I did LOL at this! It's something I would say.
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Re: No helmet

Post by someone548 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:54 pm

Here's a video I watched on Youtube this week. Seems like a good place to put it. It's a video on dealing with a motorcycle accident/victim.




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Re: No helmet

Post by SlowTyper » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:12 am

Thanks Wing Admin for the link to the First Aid kit. And the newsletter every month...

I am suspicious the guy was one of those riders who does not know how to use the front brake. Invariably, since you can't stop as fast as a cage with the rear brake only, those riders end up locking the rear wheel trying. They then fishtail and run off the road...

So while others admonish everyone to wear a helmit, let me encourage everyone to practice making panic stops!! Learn just how hard you can apply the front brake without loosing control. Done optimally, you should then be able to stop as fast as any car.

It never ceases to amaze me how many bikers wipe out trying to stop quickly. That very thing happened to a friend of mine six weeks ago. He too was helped immensely by someone soon on the scene with a first aid kit to slow his bleeding.

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Post by brettchallenger » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:46 am

I am suspicious the guy was one of those riders who does not know how to use the front brake. Invariably, since you can't stop as fast as a cage with the rear brake only, those riders end up locking the rear wheel trying.
I agree with you to some extent, although most GoldWings are impossible to brake with the rear brake only as they have linked brakes, so hitting just the foot pedal will apply both the rear disc and one of the front disc brakes. Clearly applying both brakes at the same time makes a huge difference. Of course, modern bikes - at least in Europe, now have to have ABS fitted as standard which will hopefully put an end to "fishtailing".
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Re: No helmet

Post by Graham B » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:59 am

In the UK it's a legal requirement to wear a helmet.

One initiative that is really popular in the UK is "Biker Down" http://www.kent.fire-uk.org/your-safety ... or-bikers/ It's a free course for all bikers and has been really well received. When I did mine I also got a free first aid kit as well.

The course was light hearted but with a serious message. One clear message was that people have claimed to be wary of helping in case of prosecution later if things go wrong. The very clear message from the course is that you're unlikely to be in trouble if you simply do the basics - restrict bleeding, clear airways, perform cpr.

Interestingly, France has a "Good Samaritan" law which requires bystanders to help.

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Re: No helmet

Post by Jos59 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:02 am

I don't get it anyway, we MUST wear a helmet in the Netherlands, and thats a good thing. You have to be stupid to deside to wear NO helmet.
Believe it or not, once a bird hit me while riding, without the helmet....... guess what.

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Re: No helmet

Post by brettchallenger » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:41 am

if you simply do the basics - restrict bleeding, clear airways, perform cpr.
You forgot "hot sweet tea"!

I'm joking.
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Re: No helmet

Post by brettchallenger » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:49 am

Believe it or not, once a bird hit me while riding, without the helmet....... guess what
You felt a right tit?

You took a tern for the worse?

You eider lost control or carried on?

Any way, you should have ducked out of the way.


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