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Post by Ravyn » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:07 pm



What do you guys know about this thing versus something like Garmin In-Reach

https://www.satphonestore.com/google-sh ... phone.html



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Re: Iridium GO

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:17 pm

First I heard of it, but reading this statement:

enabling connectivity for your smartphone or tablet within an approximate 30 meter (100 foot) radius.


Tells me that it is using Bluetooth to connect the phone to the sat device.

When it said "any phone", that includes iPhones and Android phones, and a multitude of carriers, so it can't be using a cellular type connection.

the 30 meter radius says "Bluetooth"

I would suggest a lot of research before get one, the subscription fee will be horrific I would think?

But, if you are 300 miles from land, it would be worth it
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Re: Iridium GO

Post by DenverWinger » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:26 am

Well, it looks like it uses a different set of satellites (other than the GPS network) so you'd have to get the GPS coordinates of where you are from your phone's GPS system.

Plan pricing isn't horrible, but does suggest "Emergency Use Only".....

Pricing Plan
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Limited capabilities..... Does show that is does tracking......

Capabilities
Capabilities

Looks like paired with your phone is a viable alternative to Spot.
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Re: Iridium GO

Post by oldmopars » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:23 pm

This looks like a great product for the world traveler. The guy with a GS1200 or other adventure bike that want to travel the world and still be able to make an emergency call. Different countries use different networks and sometimes require different phones or SIM cards. This would allow you to use one phone in any country.
It would also allow you to make emergency calls from anywhere. In a way, better than a Spot Tracker because it would allow you to make a voice call to a tow truck, 911, or family and you would get to make that choice.
The down side seems to be the price. $700 up front and at least another $500 for 400 minutes of voice calls. If you used it for emergency only, 400 minutes would last a life time and could save you thousands of dollars or even save your life. So, $1200 might be OK.
Spot is way cheaper, but limited. And, not sure how spot would work in say The Gambia, or Tibet.
If you ride in the great old USA, and on a Gold Wing, it would be rare for you to be on anything but a paved road, and as long as you have some basic supplies, someone will come along at some point.
For a pavement pounding touring bike, the Spot is probably a better option. The reality is, you only really need it for a Medical emergency. Anything else can wait for someone else to come along and give you a hand, or take you to where there is help/phone service.

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Re: Iridium GO

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:08 am

oldmopars wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:23 pm
Spot is way cheaper, but limited. And, not sure how spot would work in say The Gambia, or Tibet.
There are likely very few places you could ride where Spot would not work:

Spot coverage
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Spot X two-way coverage
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Re: Iridium GO

Post by Ravyn » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:18 pm

Thanks for the reply you guys. I do not just ride the slab. I have a street leagal dirt bike and the Mojave desert is my play ground and Death Valley. I would never consider the spot 2 or 3 or X as they are notoriously unreliable when it comes to the SOS feature. So many reports of it failing when needed.In that case I would rather have the In-Reach. And yes the Iridium Go is spendy but all I would need is the SOS feature. As far as someone keeping track of me goes I do not want that ! I go to be alone. So getting back to the expense of the Iridium Go..... How much is your life worth ????
How many of you had to use the SOS with your spot ? And if you did then did it work ? Tell us about it.

Last spring I high centered my 4x4 doing Mengel pass in Death Valley. I thought I was going to spend a couple of days back there trying to get it out. I got lucky using a Hi-Jacker and jacking up the back end and pushing it over to the left and off the jack and then just repeating this until I got off the rock. There was also a lot of piling up rocks in front of the big ones and on the back side to create a some what easier path.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you guys. :-)

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Re: Iridium GO

Post by oldmopars » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:08 am
oldmopars wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:23 pm
Spot is way cheaper, but limited. And, not sure how spot would work in say The Gambia, or Tibet.
There are likely very few places you could ride where Spot would not work:

Spot.GIF

Spot 2-way.GIF
I know that there is good coverage with the spot, but the features, like being able to call a tow truck are somewhat spotty. When you are in a distant land, the Spot may have a call feature to call for help, but is anyone going to respond. All you know is that you pushed the button. Where with a phone, you would know that you actually talked to someone and found out if they are going to come or not. You do not get that as much with the Spot.

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Re: Iridium GO

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:51 am

Ravyn wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:18 pm
Thanks for the reply you guys. I do not just ride the slab. I have a street leagal dirt bike and the Mojave desert is my play ground and Death Valley. I would never consider the spot 2 or 3 or X as they are notoriously unreliable when it comes to the SOS feature. So many reports of it failing when needed.In that case I would rather have the In-Reach.
I have ridden from Phoenix to San Diego and Los Angeles, and my SPOT never missed a beat reporting in on any of the roads going and coming back. it may miss ONE INSTANCE, but it picks up on the next 10 minute cycle. all transponders will do that.

the ONLY reason SPOT's 911 will not go through, is if the ANTENNA, is not pointing up at the sky where the satellites are, OR, if the weather overhead is extremely dense with rain or thunderstorm activity.

Or, it is in a position where it cannot see the sky at all..... still inside the car?
well, duh, it can't see the sky..... there is NO difference between it reporting a 911 instance, than there is reporting a Tracking reply.

and, if you are needing 911, you will damn sure be pressing 911 more than once in 4 days..... I would be pressing it about every hour, on the hour, until help arrived. and I would make damn sure the antenna side of it is flat upwards towards the sky.

if it is hanging from your neck, the antenna is pointing at the horizon.

and those reports it did not work? I have never read of those, give links to your reports so we can make up our own minds. InReach is no better than SPOT, it is still a satellite, and the same rules apply..... the transponder antenna must be pointing up at the sky where the sats are.
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Re: Iridium GO

Post by Ravyn » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:33 am

AZgl1800 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:51 am
Ravyn wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:18 pm
Thanks for the reply you guys. I do not just ride the slab. I have a street leagal dirt bike and the Mojave desert is my play ground and Death Valley. I would never consider the spot 2 or 3 or X as they are notoriously unreliable when it comes to the SOS feature. So many reports of it failing when needed.In that case I would rather have the In-Reach.
I have ridden from Phoenix to San Diego and Los Angeles, and my SPOT never missed a beat reporting in on any of the roads going and coming back. it may miss ONE INSTANCE, but it picks up on the next 10 minute cycle. all transponders will do that.

the ONLY reason SPOT's 911 will not go through, is if the ANTENNA, is not pointing up at the sky where the satellites are, OR, if the weather overhead is extremely dense with rain or thunderstorm activity.

Or, it is in a position where it cannot see the sky at all..... still inside the car?
well, duh, it can't see the sky..... there is NO difference between it reporting a 911 instance, than there is reporting a Tracking reply.

and, if you are needing 911, you will damn sure be pressing 911 more than once in 4 days..... I would be pressing it about every hour, on the hour, until help arrived. and I would make damn sure the antenna side of it is flat upwards towards the sky.

if it is hanging from your neck, the antenna is pointing at the horizon.

and those reports it did not work? I have never read of those, give links to your reports so we can make up our own minds. InReach is no better than SPOT, it is still a satellite, and the same rules apply..... the transponder antenna must be pointing up at the sky where the sats are.
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Post by Ravyn » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:42 am

Your comments on the spot are exactly what I am talking about.....way to unreliable. And it uses the Globalstar sat. network also no where near as good as the Iridium network. If you want to know about the failed attempts with spot sos feature then do the research.

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Re: Iridium GO

Post by Ravyn » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:03 pm

Hear ya go.......



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I ditched my SPOT this past year for a Delorme Inreach SE. The SPOT was a piece of crap from a worthless company with nonexistent customer service. I had this same experience of sending OK messages and learning that as many as 30% of them did not go through. I am not willing to entrust my life to such unreliable technology if a truly life-threatening situation arises. The Delorme lets me know when the message has gotten through, and I have had 100% success in sending and receiving messages. I cannot believe that SPOT is still in business.



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http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/366105841.html

This was a complete waste of resources due to poor communication. This is why I use the two way Inreach SE and don’t send daily check ins.


https://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/ ... abel-lake/

I wrote three BPL articles on satellite communications that covered Globalstar satellites (used by SPOT) and five other systems. Here’s the first one (free to read):
http://backpackinglight.com/satellite_c ... tmr_part1/

Both Globalstar and Iridium use satellites in comparable low earth orbits, not geostationary orbits.

In my experience with a DeLorme inReach SE using Iridium satellites, over 99% of tracking and text messages reach the recipient. Messages get through even under very challenging conditions, like at the bottom of a canyon filled with towering redwood trees. In theory, SPOT devices using Globalstar satellites should have similar performance. In practice, many people have reported much lower reception rates.


https://www.briangreen.net/bbb/2012/09/ ... tment.html

From what I can find out Globalstar uses 52 satellites.
Globalstar uses something called bent pipe communication or something like that and I don't know what that is and I don't have the time to look into it , all I know is it's way less effective then Iridium and may have a lot to do with the failure rate of spot.

The Iridium network uses 66 satellites of a different type then outdated Globalstar network.
How many satellites are in the Iridium constellation?
66
IRIDIUM SATELLITES. The Iridium satellite constellation is a system of 66 active communication satellites and spares around the Earth. It allows worldwide voice and data communications using handheld devices. The Iridium network is unique in that it covers the whole earth, including poles, oceans and airways.
Iridium satellites - N2YO.com
https://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=15

Is this enough for you or do you want more ?

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Re: Iridium GO

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:21 am

sigh............

I have never had a problem with my SPOT,
I read all of your links, and they are years old.... may still be useful,
but I have never had a problem with my SPOT in 8 years of using it.
I include my own cellphone in the text messages, as a way of reminding me to turn on TRACKING. not necessary, but useful. at the end of the day, I can't afford to abandon SPOT and spend up to a $kilobuck to replace it.

here are the tracks it left just yesterday....

https://share.findmespot.com/shared/fac ... yo4CbCZmdR

and my End of Day message went thru, just like it always does.
and it left me an email, and SMS text message.... to my friends and family also.



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Re: Iridium GO

Post by Ravyn » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:30 pm

AZ, you asked for some links so I just quickly looked up some. I know you have a spot 2 and a lot of those links are directed to the spot 2. I really did not look at how old they are and I don't care. I'm glad you are satisfied with it. But I bet you never had to activate the sos feature. And maybe it would work just fine but you do not know as there is no way to communicate. I do not need to have it tracking me and do not want it to. I do not have a paranoid spouse that needs to know where I am every minute of the day.
All I'm saying is there are better options out there. As far as spending a lot of bucks for a better option, I'll say it again.....Whats a life worth ?
Spot is just to unreliable for me to consider it. To each there own .

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Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:07 pm

the tracks are more for my own enjoyment.
wife died almost 3 years ago.
kids don't seem to care to look at the tracks.
it is just an insurance package now, for when I ride alone... which it seems I am not doing as much as I used to....
at 75, the energy to get up and go, is almost gone.

I'm in Homosassa, FL this weekend, with friends and nearly always riding with a small group. they look out for me.
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Post by Ravyn » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:13 am

AZgl1800 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:07 pm
the tracks are more for my own enjoyment.
wife died almost 3 years ago.
kids don't seem to care to look at the tracks.
it is just an insurance package now, for when I ride alone... which it seems I am not doing as much as I used to....
at 75, the energy to get up and go, is almost gone.

I'm in Homosassa, FL this weekend, with friends and nearly always riding with a small group. they look out for me.
Hi AZ. I am almost as old as you. I am 73 and going on 18, hahaha if ya know what I mean :-) I know you had a nasty ass accident a while back and I'm sure that plays into you get-up-and go. It's good you have a small group of friends to ride with and look after you. And I am so sorry to hear about your wife :-( but life goes on......
Mostly I ride alone and I am not married anymore, divorced way back in 1985. but my sensative beautiful lady friend likes to ride with me as much as possible but she still works and I am retired. She works for a school district and spring break for her starts next Saturday and we are headed for Death Valley for a weak in my 4x4 and with my dirt bike as we do every year. She stays until the end of spring break and then I take her to Las Vegas and she flys home and I go back and continue playing around in Death Valley on my dirt bike. This year when I am done there I am going to meander over to the St. George area and do some dirt biking there. And then On home. When she is done for the summer we are heading out on my Goldwing side car rig for the southwest to do some touring until she has to be back to work. And then I want to finish the rest of the Washington Back Country Discovery camping off my little yamaha xt250 before the rains return.

Ride on brother and don't ever give up....... Ravyn

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Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:58 pm

as the Toy Hauler gets really cranky about carrying a 1,000 lb Goldwing in the rear garage, it carried my Piaggio MP3 250cc scooter down here.

we went out for a ride today, leader of the pack was Mike Herman of San Antonio, FL.... aka OnaWingAndaPrayer

we covered a guesstimated 100+ miles today.... the trip meter is showing some 150+ miles since we arrived.

everything is in Kilometers and converting is 5/8s of something :roll:

I do good just to remember that 100 kph is 62.5 mph :mrgreen:

from there, I just estimate the "about right" mark.



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Post by Ravyn » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:23 am

How do you like those dual wheels ? How does it handle ? I was thinking about something like a Suzuki Burgman for my beautiful sensitive live partner as she is quite short. She used to ride a number of years ago and has expressed an interest. She is 17 years younger then me and still pretty agile so I don't think it would take much to get up to par again. She says she likes old farts.....she doesn't make any points when she talks like that. hahahahaha
Tell me about the pagio when you have the time. How many cc's do they come in ?

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Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:17 pm

took a while to get back here, made a video and uploaded that to YouTube

The Piaggio came about, when I realized, by brute force, that the GL1800 is way too heavy for my Toy Hauler, ( over-balanced the trailer, tail end heavy )
I started looking at scooters, as they are half the weight at a minimum.

My favs were the Burgmans, and Honda scoots.

then this one popped up in the for sale listings..... I called the guy up, and he is only 1 hour from my home!

Ride:
Identical to riding a bike, sort of.... e.g., it leans over like a bike...
the 2 front wheels are independent suspension and that is the Cat's Meow for sure. I can ride that thing thru sand, pot holes on grass or sand lot, and it just don't care.... it is safer to ride off pavement than a big motorcycle.... reminds me sort of like my old Dirt Bike.

SPEED:
Rode with a group of 7 Goldwings yesterday for about 100 miles on the byways around Homosassa, Florida.... Speed limits of 55 to 65.
It has a CVT tranny, so you just open the throttle to the peg and wait for it to get to speed.

I was able to stay within 100-200 feet of the guy in front of me, and never held them up. It takes a bit of finesse to learn to keep it up with the big bikes.... e.g., on the country lanes, at 45 to 55 mph, I learned that when entering a corner, you open the throttle and keep power ON to carry you thru the turn w/o loosing speed and holding up the guy behind you.

Neato Trick:
at speeds of 5 mph or less, the front suspension will lock at whatever lean angle it is in... so, as you approach a stop light, get down to about 3 mph and lock the suspension, you never have to put your feet on the ground.

Take Off:
the suspension is locked, to go, just twist the throttle and it unlocks immediately...... this requires that you go full throttle so as to not fall over though.... you get used it that real fast, about the 2nd time you do it, you know it will fall over if you don't full throttle it and get forward momentum...

Slow Speed:
I can ride it at 1 mph around this RV park, walking speed, talk to the residents here, and they all comment on "it has 3 wheels?"

It is the ideal scoot for travel around the country if you have a toy hauler, or a pickup to put it into.

Torque:
Loads of it instantly. up to about 20 mph, then it is slower to really scat... but, it kept up with the guys during casual riding without effort.

Top Speed:
68 on the level zero wind. 60ish up minor grades, 80 downhill in a hurry... you won't feel embarrassed to ride one of these things.

Storage:
more than a GL1800, one continuous storage compartment from front to rear, seat lifts up, rear hatch back pops up... room for small helmet in back, but not a 2x Shoei Modular.


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Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:03 pm

Gas mileage is awful

68 mpg per the manual.

so far, I have put about 3.5 gallons in this thing since I bought it :roll:

it had a shade over 2900 miles on it at the time...

yesterday, the gas gauge was on the 1/4 mark, it took 2.2 gallons to top it off. :P
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Post by Ravyn » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:57 pm

Thank you John. :-)

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Re: Iridium GO

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:06 am

Back again with my SPOT's activity reports.

We all have our preferences on different products, and we have our own experiences with those products. But, my own experience with SPOT is nothing but positive and I cannot find fault at all with the way it is working.
Or with the IT staff at SPOT, I made one email comment and they called me back within 24 hours. That, to me, is a very positive experience. And with that I will not be replacing it, why should I, it works.

Yesterday, I activated the "Start of Day" message button and my cellphone bleated out verbally "TURN ON SPOT TRACKING" with 2 minutes of that activation.

When I ended our day's track, having stopped for the day at a very nice horse ranch that offers RV camping with beautiful views, and wide open spaces..... quite in contrast to the sardine packed confines of the RV parks in Homosassas FL near the beaches... "Ugh!" SPOT sent my cellphone a message for the End of Day button "TURN OFF SPOT" in less than 90 seconds. I had just got out of the truck, open the door on the RV's electrical compartment and the phone beeped.

I have a macro on my cellphone that monitors all SMS texts for specific words, and then it audibly talks to me with canned messages relating to what it hears.

Here is our track for yesterday.
https://share.findmespot.com/shared/fac ... yo4CbCZmdR


and here is a picture of that track expanded out so you can actually see it w/o having to screw around with the results.







If anyone needs to camp out with a tent, or 30 amp, or 50 amp service, and loves horse farms, I highly recommend this one. a 1 acre fenced in area for dogs to run in. tight chicken wire, so little tykes can't get out. about 50 RV spots which don't show up in this pix. It is beautiful.


Long Branch Rest and Ride

4690 89th Rd, Live Oak, FL 32060
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