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Contemplating moving up

Post by DarthJ » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:21 pm



I've had my GL1500 for a few years now, and while I love it, I am thinking about moving up to something a little more modern. I was originally considering a Victory, but with Polaris, in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) deciding to shut them down a while back, I am leery to buy one as I am concerned with the availability of spare parts. I looked at the Yamaha Star Venture, and it is a contender, but I am not really sure as it's a new machine from the ground up, so unless I have to wait a couple more years, I am leaning more towards a 2015-17 Wing. For those who made the move from the 1500 to the 1800, what similarities did you notice, any differences? I've been perusing youtube reviews to see what I can find, but curious to have some opinions from the guys here.


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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by Sadanorakman » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:23 am

I cannot tell you what it's like to ride a GL1800, as I never have, but yours is a question that many have asked here in one form or another.

There are plenty of threads on this forum debating the pros and cons between the two models. To be perfectly honest, I think you need to have a good ride of whatever you are interested in, to see if you can really live with it or not. It might be too much of a departure from what you expect from a bike, or it might be an absolute revelation and put an instant grin on your face. I am personally quite trusting of first instincts... if it doesn't feel 'right' in the first ten minutes of riding it, then maybe you won't ever settle in to it, and you will either need more time to try, or should go back to the drawing board. It is possible that the sheer desire for a new bike, blinds you to it's inadequacies. People tend to become quite emotionally attached to their vehicles, and therefore buy cars and bikes with their hearts, not their heads. They can therefore act quite irrationally in a purchase, and then come to regret it when the rosy tint wears off!

I would start by challenging yourself as to the reasons you want to change... Try writing down a list of the top 5-10 things you love about your 1500 (i.e. would really be pained to be without), and the 5-10 aspects you most loath (would really like to change).

Having read many of the 1500 vs 1800 conversations, there seems to be a few contrasting features between the two models, notably:
-The 1500 benefits from a more 'roomy' riding position for taller riders, has more storage, and a softer ride.
-The 1800 is deemed to have sharper handling, increased power, and less hassle with being fuel injected.
...what is listed above as a benefit for one model is comparatively somewhat lacking in the other.

Many say the 1800 suspension is not good without upgrading to after-market springs/shocks.

A question which seems obvious for me to ask... If you are looking at an 1800 as late as a 2017 model, then why have you ruled out going for the new 2018 Gold Wing? Is there just too much of a price differential to go up to the latest model? If so, can you afford to wait a year to make your move?

If you buy a 2016/2017 bike, then of course you are buying at the end of the manufacturing run, a product that has had all it's weaknesses found and hopefully ironed out (e.g. the weak frames on pre 2004 models). You are also though buying 'old' technology, as it was designed literally over twenty years ago. I appreciate that the new 2018 model is also a continued 'evolution' of many aspects of the pre 2018 GL1800, but the front suspension in particular is a real major departure from anything Gold Wings have had in the preceding 43 years. Is the 'new' 1800 a convincingly-better package than the previous 1800? Is it good enough to hold-out for?

I recently bought a three-year-old Mazda CX5 AWD, 2.2L Diesel for my main car... It was quite literally half the price of a brand new one (£16,000 as opposed to £32,000). Now it's a really lovely car, but If I could have afforded another four thousand pounds I could have gotten the newer, re-designed 2017 model, which has a substantially stiffer chassis, and lower cabin noise among other things.
For me, an extra 25% spend just wasn't an option, as I was already at the top of my budget. I didn't have the luxury of waiting another 12-18 Months to buy the newer model, as I was without a car and I do 20,000 miles a year for work. I realize that if you keep waiting, there is always something new just around the next corner, but cars have ever-reducing production-runs these days (3 year face-lift, six-year model replacement). This is in complete contrast to Goldwings, the GL1500 being manufactured for 12 years, and the GL1800 for 18 years!

The very best of luck with your deliberations DarthJ, but be cautious: People have 'moved up' to a GL1800, and have not looked back, others have ended up selling it to buy another GL1500, and losing hard-earned money in the process!
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by Andy Cote » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:32 am

I had my GL1500 for quite a while, lots of miles, and planned on keeping it until I was done riding.

Then I got the itch. I started looking and pricing and planning. Put the GL1500 on the market at what it was worth to me. Once I found the right guy who thought it was worth that much to him, off she went. Next day I bought the best deal I found which happened to be a 2015.

The difference to me was there but I clearly saw the family resemblance. Glad to make the change.
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by Rednaxs60 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:16 am

Good advice being given. Have owned an 1800 (sold it), did some long trips on it, Victoria BC to Ontario and back, Victoria to San Diego and area return, couple of jaunts through BC interior as well - put some 40,000 Kms on it in one year. Have an '85 Limited Edition (my retirement project so it's staying), as well as a '95 1500. Being a tall rider, 6'2", the 1500 fits my stature with no modification to the cockpit ergonomics. The 1800, I had to have the seat modified to fit me, moved back 2" and up 2". The 1800 suspension as mentioned is less than stellar. It is one of the issues mentioned when I was looking for an 1800, as is tire longevity. Installed the Traxion suspension and it made a world of difference. I prefer fuel injection, but finding the 1500 gets good fuel economy and works well. Presently on a 7500 Km tour up to Yukon-Alaska two up towing a trailer and the 1500 is operating well. I upgraded the suspension on the 1500 as well.

The big difference between the 1500 and 1800 is fuel injection, otherwise not a lot of advantages. If the 1500 is mechanically sound, in good condition, drive it until it drops. When it starts to give you problems/issues then move up. Newer bikes need work as well.

Just a few thoughts on a depreciating asset.

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by aperry » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:04 pm

I moved from a '99 1500 to an '08 1800 last year and really love the 1800. I am short and found that I can touch the ground easier, the seat is more comfortable, and it handles way better. I did like my 1500, but find that I ride the 1800 much more often. You should ride one to see how you like it. Good luck.

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by DarthJ » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:57 am

Good advice all around. I like the Gen 2 1800 for slightly more storage than the Gen 1, plus, honestly, I like the tail lights more, lol. The reduced storage isn't that big a deal for me because I don't really utilize all the storage the 1500 has anyway. The lower seat height is a big plus, I can get my feet flat, where it is a stretch on the 1500, and I have at least sat on one, and I do know I won't feel cramped in the cockpit. FI is a big plus for me, dealing with the carb can be a pain in the rear end.

I'm looking at the level 3 for ABS and Sirius capability without having to add anything. Navi ability isn't a big deal for me, but since it's there, I'd use it.

The biggest problem is test riding, as the only demos I find are for Harley around here. If I knew someone with an 1800, I'd borrow it for a couple days and ride how I normally would, run the errands I do now, test luggage capacity (I do like the 1500 being able to handle a 12 pack of coke)


I went and looked at the new ones, and frankly, I had an instant dislike. Luggage capacity reduced by way too much, bike looks like an ST1800, not a Wing. If I was to go new, frankly, I'd stay away from it and go with a BMW K1600 or the Yamaha.
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by aperry » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:53 pm

Also, once I took the trunk organizer out from under the lid, I found I can get my full face helmet in the trunk. I can't get it in the saddle bag like I could on the 1500. I guess I'm lucky I don't drink coke. ;)

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by Big Bob » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:28 am

I had a 96 Aspencade 1500 and put about 97k on the bike, loved the bike. I put a lot of time and $ into the bike to make it work for me. I sold it with 159k on the clock still running like a champ. I purchased a 06 Gl1800 with just over 60k on the clock just over a year ago, like the bike and now spending lots of money again to make it my bike. Things I like about the 1800, fuel injection, performance, new E4 tires feel great on the bike. I'm not impressed with smaller luggage, the trunk, saddlebags and fairing compartments are all smaller. I purchased the 1800 for change, wanted the newer Goldwing, and could possibly be my last Goldwing if I ride it as long as I did the 1500. A lot of 1800s are quite reasonable in price, so if money is not an object, IMO get the 1800, parts are becoming more difficult to find for the 1500. Good luck!

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by DarthJ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:05 pm

aperry wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:53 pm
Also, once I took the trunk organizer out from under the lid, I found I can get my full face helmet in the trunk. I can't get it in the saddle bag like I could on the 1500. I guess I'm lucky I don't drink coke. ;)
Well, if a 12 pack won't fit, not a deal breaker, i get it at sam's anyway now, so I gotta take the cage.
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by DarthJ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:12 pm

Big Bob wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:28 am
I had a 96 Aspencade 1500 and put about 97k on the bike, loved the bike. I put a lot of time and $ into the bike to make it work for me. I sold it with 159k on the clock still running like a champ. I purchased a 06 Gl1800 with just over 60k on the clock just over a year ago, like the bike and now spending lots of money again to make it my bike. Things I like about the 1800, fuel injection, performance, new E4 tires feel great on the bike. I'm not impressed with smaller luggage, the trunk, saddlebags and fairing compartments are all smaller. I purchased the 1800 for change, wanted the newer Goldwing, and could possibly be my last Goldwing if I ride it as long as I did the 1500. A lot of 1800s are quite reasonable in price, so if money is not an object, IMO get the 1800, parts are becoming more difficult to find for the 1500. Good luck!

Bob
I've heard the rear is much easier to remove versus the 1500, that is a royal PITA. Smaller fairing pockets don't bother me, I really don't use them anyway. The fuel injection is a real draw of moving up. I really would love to sit mine and an 1800 side by side to get a good look at the differences in storage, seat height, etc.
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by minimac » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:41 am

I contemplated moving from my 1500 to something else also. I ruled out the 1800. I felt the advantage of the fuel injection was far outweighed by what I saw as disadvantages- enough so that I can't justify the cost. I fell in love with a loaded Star Venture, but at the end of the day decided my 1500 is comfortable, easy for me to ride, dependable, does everything I want it to-and more, and will probably outlive me. I also have better places to spend $10K-$25K, than replacing something that doesn't need replacing!

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by Sadanorakman » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:10 pm

Some really excellent, well-balanced views here!
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by aperry » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:38 pm

I paid 8K for my 2008 last year. There are some pretty good deals out there. The big thing for me is the handling. I feel much more in control on switchbacks and enjoy the twisties much more. Good luck with your decision.

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:52 pm

with my advancing years.... meaning my rides are now infrequent, I needed a fuel enjected engine.

3 years ago, I found a 2002 at Russellville Honda of AR for $8000, they sent me home with it for $7000 and a very old crotch rocket trade in.

I have added 14,000 miles to the 97,500 that it showed on the odometer, it runs like brand new, so why waste $15 plus on something newer, that goes at the same speed, has the same features as what I have now?

umm, is DCT really all that important to me?
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by aperry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:08 pm

Update: My wife brought home a twelve pack of coke yesterday. I thought hmmm and took it out to the bike. It easily fit in the saddle bags and the trunk with room to spare. Mind you it was cherry coke, so...
I had to update in the interest of accuracy. :D

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by Sadanorakman » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:18 am

aperry wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:08 pm
Update: My wife brought home a twelve pack of coke yesterday... It easily fit in the saddle bags and the trunk with room to spare.
What, four cans in each? :D
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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by aperry » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:25 pm

I was surprised that it fit. More room than I thought. If she only had more than one 12 pack, I could tell you how many each held.

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Re: Contemplating moving up

Post by topgun » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:19 pm

My .02
Went to 2003 from a 88. The 88 was a good looker for her age and was not plagued with the hesitation that some have. I did periodically upgrade things from a maintenance standpoint and kept the ride enjoyable but the itch gradually overcame me (more modern features and fuel injection) and after months of looking for the best candidate FOR ME, found current ride. Did I enjoy the 1500? YES. Do I enjoy the 1800?. YES. Would I go back if the old one showed up in my drive one day? Not a chance, but I would tell her how good she looks IMO



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