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No Ethanol Fuel

Post by RockportDave » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:20 pm



It’s been a few months since I’ve posted anything. Been very busy with work and family. Got a new grandson last Thursday (grandkid #10). We will be going to see him in a couple of weeks.
After 2 years, the 7/11 store down the road finally re-opened all new from Hurricane Harvey damage. They also have pumps with “Recreational Fuel, No Ethanol”.


It’s the most expensive per gallon, but worth it in my opinion.
We also started fishing in the bays from a 2002 Seadoo LRV DI. Been out a few time on it and we like it. I built a bait holder out of 1/2” PVC that straps to the back.




Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by newday777 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:12 pm

I tried a tank of the non ethanol while riding across the I-10 in November on my winter trip to San Diego. No gain in mileage on that tank on my 08. Same miles per tank as regular ethanol laced gas.
BTW I'm paying $3.13 for regular in Oceanside(cheapest in San Diego County). California sucks. Ready to get out of coming here to see the grandkids each year.

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by Sadanorakman » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:24 pm

Well in the UK, petrol (gas);is around £1.21 per litre at the moment. Multiply that by 3.785 to get US gallons, then covert to US Dollars at around 1.29 dollars to the pound, and you get...

$5.89 per U.S. Gallon.

... I'd take the California prices all day long!!!

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:18 pm

Our local Marathon station has a separate no-ethanol fuel (which is also premium, unfortunately, so expensive!). I use it for my small engines as well as in the motorcycles when they go away for the winter.

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Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:43 pm

sourcing around Oologha, OK is hit and miss.

2 stations are offering 87, 89, 91 non-ethanol.

others have either 91 only, or 87 only, the 91 stations are located near marinas.

the 87 stations are out in our rural areas.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by dingdong » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:15 am

Here in OKC there are more fuel stops with no ethanol than with ethanol. However I still use E10 and also find no appreciable mileage or performance difference.
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Post by detdrbuzzard » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:36 pm

the gas station nearest to me with ethanol free gas is about eight miles from my house, I don't make it there on a bike very often but I do put a couple of gas cans in the tintop and fill those for the OPE if i'm going that way
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by brettchallenger » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:47 pm

You should try living here in England. Petrol costs the equivalent of $11 per US gallon.
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Post by LeMaitre » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:13 pm

For summer use when the bikes are being ridden often the 10% ethanol if fine. Come fall, like WingAdmin, I switch to non-ethanol. Come spring the bikes will start with "stale gas" after sitting for months. For the snowmobile I run non-ethanol all the time. It can sit for 8 months between startups.

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by saganaga » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:01 am

From my research, and in regards to older Goldwings, if the carbs have been rebuilt with a modern gasket kit, ethanol should not be a problem. I'd suspect that E10 would not be a problem with even the stock gaskets in the carbs, but these are old bikes, the gaskets are already marginal at best.

But, and this is a biggie, ethanol loves water. Over time, it is quite happy to absorb it. It's just crap in that regards. If your burning through tanks in riding weather, it is no big deal. For storage, that water is nasty on your carbs. IMO, for the added cost of ethanol free fuel, if you can get it, it's worth it for winter storage. Either way, treat the gas before storage.

I can't easily get ethanol free fuel close to me, so I went with Stabil for this winter's storage in all the motorcycles and my truck that sits for the winter. So if you disagree, I'm already setting myself up for failure. (And the truck always runs rough with the old gas in the spring anyways.)

Note that for anyone in the US, we do have a winter fuel mix which evaporates more easily. So that's another wrench in the gears.

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:02 am

I agree, that if you are running thru tank after tank of fuel, E10 is not going to harm the carbs.

it is the layover with no activity that causes the problems for Goldwings.
for my 1800, which is EFI, it don't really matter, but if it does not have E-0, then I make it a point to use Stabil Marine 360 for the layover period.

everything else on our acreage get E-0 100% of the time.
Chainsaw, lawn mowers, lawn tractor. Those never, ever, get a taste of Ethanol period.

for my AuxGen, the manual states, and I agree, shut off the fuel valve from the tank and let the engine run until it dies for lack of fuel... This practice would be ideal for our Goldwings if it were easy to do.

On the 1500s, one could splice in a switch to the fuel pump and turn the pump off and run the carbs dry. that would help. If one were to do that, I would use a Double Pole, Double Throw switch so that the fuel pump could be run before trying to start the bike up.... this would require bypassing the vacuum shut off valve though so fuel could reach the carbs.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by kwthom » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:00 am

Sadanorakman wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:24 pm
Well in the UK, petrol (gas);is around £1.21 per litre at the moment. Multiply that by 3.785 to get US gallons, then covert to US Dollars at around 1.29 dollars to the pound, and you get...

$5.89 per U.S. Gallon.

... I'd take the California prices all day long!!!


Be advised, there are places in California that would have similar prices - from March of 2012, for example...
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:48 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:02 am
On the 1500s, one could splice in a switch to the fuel pump and turn the pump off and run the carbs dry. that would help. If one were to do that, I would use a Double Pole, Double Throw switch so that the fuel pump could be run before trying to start the bike up.... this would require bypassing the vacuum shut off valve though so fuel could reach the carbs.
It's easier than that. Just pull the vacuum line off the petcock (you can do it from the gas flap, no disassembly required), put your finger over the vacuum line so the engine won't stall out from too lean a mixture, and wait until the engine quits. Then put the vacuum line back on.

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by CrystalPistol » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:20 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:48 pm
AZgl1800 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:02 am
On the 1500s, one could splice in a switch to the fuel pump and turn the pump off and run the carbs dry. that would help. If one were to do that, I would use a Double Pole, Double Throw switch so that the fuel pump could be run before trying to start the bike up.... this would require bypassing the vacuum shut off valve though so fuel could reach the carbs.
It's easier than that. Just pull the vacuum line off the petcock (you can do it from the gas flap, no disassembly required), put your finger over the vacuum line so the engine won't stall out from too lean a mixture, and wait until the engine quits. Then put the vacuum line back on.
I've been using the disconnected vacuum line to vacuum petc*ck shutoff technique, but the switch makes good sense too.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by DenverWinger » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:57 am

.... and when the engine starts to sputter, hit the choke to get every last drop.... :D
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by Eboness » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:13 am

This issue is very interesting to me. I don't so much store my 2013 Wing from say November to March, but because we get many sunny dry days during this period I will ride my Wing from 6 to 15 times. I can't remember the last time I didn't ride on Christmas Day. Have to admit here in the Pacific Northwest we have very mild winters and it's not unusual to have a winter with no snow. I guess my question is, in regards to Ethanol and the damage it can do, how long does a bike have to be sitting before damage can affect a Wing? Here in Vancouver B.C. I've never seen no Ethanol gas for sale, although I'm sure there might be some here somewhere. Also does who's fuel you buy make any difference? I've been a Chevron only guy ever since I could drive or ride and they are known for their additives and most if not all fuel here has 10% Ethanol in it. Thanks.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:22 am

Eboness wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:13 am
in regards to Ethanol and the damage it can do, how long does a bike have to be sitting before damage can affect a Wing? Here in Vancouver B.C. I've never seen no Ethanol gas for sale, although I'm sure there might be some here somewhere. Also does who's fuel you buy make any difference? I've been a Chevron only guy ever since I could drive or ride and they are known for their additives and most if not all fuel here has 10% Ethanol in it. Thanks.
with the Ethanol, it is letting the fuel dry up in the carbs and creating varnish mostly.
If you would run Sta-Bil 360 marine in the winter months, the problem would be gone.
https://www.goldeagle.com/product/sta-bil-360-marine/

Pure Gas can normally always be found at the Marina docks, so investigate that potential.
Here at home, I carry four 5 gallon jerry cans to the marina for my lawn equipment.

use this link to search for E-0 gas in your area.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by pidjones » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:41 am

The closest station to me has a real gas regular pump at only a ~$0.20 premium over the 10% alcohol regular. I fill my 3 five gallon plastic cans (with Stabil already in them), and use it in everything carbureted. FI gets the alky stuff.

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by bb1040 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:08 am

I have been running my 1986 GL1200i for 33 years now on regular gas, never had a fuel problem...The big thing back then was that they were just changing over from leaded gas to unleaded gas and this bike could run ether one...so I just looked for the best price...back then if it was over 79 cents a gallon, I went to another station where it was cheaper...LOL

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by cardinal » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:01 pm

Long ago, on an aviation forum, I read that you could mix water into ethanol laced fuel, I don't recall what ratio to use, but after mixing the combination well, shaking is best, you siphon off the TOP layer and you have ethanol free gas.

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by WingAdmin » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:23 pm

cardinal wrote:
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Long ago, on an aviation forum, I read that you could mix water into ethanol laced fuel, I don't recall what ratio to use, but after mixing the combination well, shaking is best, you siphon off the TOP layer and you have ethanol free gas.
You mean like this: How to make your own ethanol-free gasoline

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:15 am

cardinal wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:01 pm
Long ago, on an aviation forum, I read that you could mix water into ethanol laced fuel, I don't recall what ratio to use, but after mixing the combination well, shaking is best, you siphon off the TOP layer and you have ethanol free gas.
I always just opened the drain valves at every low point on the airplane and when water quit pouring out, I had pure gas in the tanks.

Hopefully you won't get water in your tanks, but.......

Rather than siphoning it off, I installed a radiator brass fitting in the lower, right front corner on my '74 Suburban which ran over 200,000 miles on what used to be called "drip gas" and which was heavily laden with water.

watch the glass bowl on the water filter, drain the bottom valve.....
if the engine starts to sputter, pull off to the right side of the road and point the front downhill at about a 30* angle, open the tank's water valve and let the water go.. water is clear, gas is slightly yellowish.
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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by chiefski76 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:23 pm

Would have been nice to have run this topic back in early fall before many of us in Northern states put our bikes up for the winter! :(

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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:32 pm

just for fun, I stopped at our local Marina fuel stop....
pity y'all can't all enjoy the proper fuel for your bikes.

all 3 grades on this pump are Non-Ethonal



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Re: No Ethanol Fuel

Post by cardinal » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:18 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:23 pm
cardinal wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:01 pm
Long ago, on an aviation forum, I read that you could mix water into ethanol laced fuel, I don't recall what ratio to use, but after mixing the combination well, shaking is best, you siphon off the TOP layer and you have ethanol free gas.
You mean like this: How to make your own ethanol-free gasoline
Looks very familiar....maybe it WASN''T an aviation forum after all..



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