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I have a decision to make; to purchase a 99' 1500 with 25,000 miles or a 6 year old 1800 with 89,000 miles? Both look and run great and close to same price. Thanks.



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1800 hands down.
Loved my 1500, but except for cargo space, the 1800 is far superior. In every way.

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Out of curiosity, what is the price range you are looking at?

I think the 1800 would be a better buy if they are both at the same price and in similar condition. The 6 year old bike is a 2014 is it?
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A 2014 at the same price point as the relic 1999. You need a couch to lie down on and start rambling on. :lol: 2014 all the way.
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So, the 1800 is fully broken in!

After just mentioning my lack of knowledge of Goldwings other than my own in another thread, I would only vote for the 1800 because of fuel injection versus carburetors. I've heard/read that the 1500 is more comfortable, but unless you're taller than 6' I don't know how much of an issue this would be especially if you put highway pegs on the 1800. And a 6 year old, 2014, model is going to be a Gen-2 so the navigation system, if it has that, will not have the same issues the Gen-1 and earlier models had if they even had that fancy stuff on the 1500's.
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Thank you. I've owned 5 1500's. Two lasted close to 200,000 miles. Third gear gave out in one of them under 80,000 miles. Another one over heated to the point of no return. Changed w/pump all hoses but nothing helped. Local dealer would not work on 1500's anymore. The bike was absolutely beautiful. I replaced motor and then upgraded to the 1800's. I've now owned 2 of them. Both fell apart under 80,000 miles. I purchased them lightly used. One of them would not shift into OD anymore. Shop said bad shifting dog. The other one has less than 60,000 miles. Grinds at low idle. Shop says ADG. Min $3,500. Could be as much as $5,000. So that brings me to the posted question. I've seen older bikes (1500's)with 25,000 miles in perfect condition. I've seen 6 to 10 year old 1800's with 100,000 and less, for close to the price of the considered 1500's. It would be nice to have a used bike last at least 3-4 years and not have to deal with engine removal. Maybe time to move away from Honda cycles. At any rate, thank you.

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go1dwing wrote:
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Thank you. I've owned 5 1500's. Two lasted close to 200,000 miles. Third gear gave out in one of them under 80,000 miles. Another one over heated to the point of no return. Changed w/pump all hoses but nothing helped. Local dealer would not work on 1500's anymore. The bike was absolutely beautiful. I replaced motor and then upgraded to the 1800's. I've now owned 2 of them. Both fell apart under 80,000 miles. I purchased them lightly used. One of them would not shift into OD anymore. Shop said bad shifting dog. The other one has less than 60,000 miles. Grinds at low idle. Shop says ADG. Min $3,500. Could be as much as $5,000. So that brings me to the posted question. I've seen older bikes (1500's)with 25,000 miles in perfect condition. I've seen 6 to 10 year old 1800's with 100,000 and less, for close to the price of the considered 1500's. It would be nice to have a used bike last at least 3-4 years and not have to deal with engine removal. Maybe time to move away from Honda cycles. At any rate, thank you.
Sounds like you either have bad luck or you are just hard on your machinery.

I've had three GL1500's and three GL1800's.

A 1999 i bought new and then sold with 161,000 miles and it was in excellent condition when it was sold.

A 1989 that I bought used to help a guy out. He was short of cash. The bike had about 60,000 miles on it. I replaced a few cosmetic items and then sold it to a friend with about 65,000 miles on it. It was excellent condition.

I bought a '98 with a little over 2200 miles on it and am currently riding it. It now has 181,000 miles on it and it hasn't needed any major mechanical work done to it. I've replaced brake rotors, an alternator and a universal joint. I ride it to So Cal about once a year.

I bought an '03 with 62,000 on it and then sold it to a friend with 67,000 on it in 2015. He is still riding it today but I do not know what the mileage is and he has not had any issues.

I bought an '03 with 12,000 miles on it and rode it for 8 years then sold it with 117,000 miles on it. It is in excellent condition. No major issues with that one. I did replace a few brake rotors and the final drive.

And now have a 2017 with just over 6500 miles on it. I'm looking forward to well over 150,000 miles on this one.

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Buy the one you'll feel most comfortable with (mentally and physically). You have to love it when you ride it.

If it were me, plastic and rubber get old and I wouldn't buy anything as old as '99 at this point - I'm done dealing with old cars and motorcycles with cracking plastic tabs.

With that being said, your experience with 1800's is, in my experience, out of the ordinary.
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I owned a '94SE that had 57,000 when I bought it 15 years ago, ran like a top, until a Penski semi merged me into a median wall.

Bought a '98SE with 60k+ miles, ran like a top until I sold it to a friend 3 or 4 years later.

bought my current 2002 with 97,500+ miles and it still runs like a top, feels like it just came off the Show Room floor.... shifts perfect and is showing on the north side of 114k miles. it gets normal PMs like all bikes should.

I prefer a clean, higher mileage bike, that shows me it was treated with respect and well maintained.
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If you're under 6', I'd go with the 1800, had an '08 1800. I'm 6'2" and had to have the seat modified, 2" back and 2" up, so that I sat in the cockpit area comfortably. Can't beat fuel injection. Bought mine with 38,000 Kms and sold it two years later with 75,000 Kms, oil changes and yearly maintenance was all required. Would recommend a suspension upgrade to fully realize the potential of the 1800. A good suspension turns the 1800 into a great sport touring bike.

The 1500 has a better seating area for a taller rider. The ride is very plush, and it will go anywhere the 1800 will go. I'm more of a fan of fuel injection, but my 1500 has performed well - 175,000 Kms on the clock and counting. The maintenance/work I did to my 1500 when I bought it was the same maintenance/work I would have done to an 1800 such as fluid changes, suspension upgrade, tires, brakes, bearings if needed, and other normal maintenance/work issues. As long as the engine doesn't use oil, good to go.

If you are a DIY mechanic, either bike will be good. Easier to get 1800 parts, but 1500 parts are available, and a lot of Goldwing parts are interchangeable between models. Shops will work on 1800s, but 1500s may be another issue depending on where you live.

A used motorcycle is a used motorcycle. Once the bike is mechanically sound, can't control the electrics/electronics, or what the engine does. The 1500 and 1800 have a lot of electrics/electronics to annoy you.

Another issue I have being 6'2" is that the 1800 is easier to stand back up then the 1500 when the bike decides to take a nap. Honda got the engine guards right when it designed these bikes. It's not the weight of the bike, it's the seat height, 1800 seat height is a bit higher - better leverage.

As members have mentioned, close to the same price, and the 1800 feels good, get the 1800. Both will get you to where you want to go.
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I say go with the 99 1500. 97-2000 has the heavier duty transmission. The 1800 are beautiful bikes ,but, they are hit and miss with frame cracks and transmission problems.

I am not bad mouthing 1800s just stating facts, I know there are plenty of 1800s that work perfect for hundreds of thousands of miles. My best friend has a yellow 2001 1800 with 145K miles and he loves it.

If somebody is selling a 2014 for the same price as a 1999 there is something that is not right.

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I'd go with the 1800, assuming it's been taken care of. If it's been well cared for the mileage shouldn't be a factor.

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go1dwing wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 5:16 pm
I have a decision to make; to purchase a 99' 1500 with 25,000 miles or a 6 year old 1800 with 89,000 miles? Both look and run great and close to same price. Thanks.
gford wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 8:16 pm
I say go with the 99 1500. 97-2000 has the heavier duty transmission. The 1800 are beautiful bikes ,but, they are hit and miss with frame cracks and transmission problems.

I am not bad mouthing 1800s just stating facts, I know there are plenty of 1800s that work perfect for hundreds of thousands of miles. My best friend has a yellow 2001 1800 with 145K miles and he loves it.

If somebody is selling a 2014 for the same price as a 1999 there is something that is not right.
mterraci wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:18 pm
I'd go with the 1800, assuming it's been taken care of. If it's been well cared for the mileage shouldn't be a factor.
As you can see, there are multiple opinions with their own distinct reasoning.
It all boils down to personal preference. I have a feeling that no matter which way you go, you will probably experience buyers remorse, even if you do not buy either of them. That is human nature. You will ultimately be the deciding force.

I wish you luck with your decision. Truthfully, I don't think I could decide either. That is why I own both a '98 and a '17.
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go1dwing wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 5:16 pm
I have a decision to make; to purchase a 99' 1500 with 25,000 miles or a 6 year old 1800 with 89,000 miles? Both look and run great and close to same price. Thanks.
What's the price? I wouldn't buy the 1500 if the price was over $6000, no matter what the condition. 25,000 miles is nothing on a Goldwing, but the repair expenses would be more. Some places don't work on older bikes. A 2014 with 89,000 has been ridden. Not an issue if it has been well maintained. More technology on the 1800. But for that many miles in 6 years I wouldn't go over $9000 (loaded model/$8000 for base model) . Both bikes should expect 150 to 200K miles. The real question is what is your riding style and how do you plan to use it (daily, weekends, long trips).
I loved my 1500s because of the touring comfort, plenty of room but it's heavier. My 1800 has much more of a sport feeling, but it still has 90% of the touring capacity.

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I would consider 89,000 miles as "low" mileage for a Honda Goldwing that was properly maintained and cared for. I have seen properly maintained Goldwings go in excess of 200,000 miles with no major mechanical issues. It would not surprise me if there are Goldwings out there with excess of 300,000 miles on the clock. In order to determine proper maintenance and care you need to do a little homework. Download the Owner's Manual for both bikes. Study the maintenance schedules. Then quiz the owners. What type of oil? What brand of filter? Were wheel bearings ever replaced? Spark plugs? You get the idea. If the previous owner can't answer your questions, or produce receipts from the Honda shop, that's a good indication that the bike hasn't been properly maintained. Some people will use a discount store oil filter on a $30K bike, just to save a few bucks. Storage conditions are important too. My '96 was stored in a climate controlled basement. It was always connected to a battery maintainer. I always used Stabil in the last tank of gas for the season. I never had any fuel problems or cracking rubber hoses. If a bike is stored in very hot and humid conditions it's a bad combination. In summery, don't fret over the mileage. It's the care and maintenance that counts.

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It is my belief that you should by the newer if all is equal. My reasoning is maintenance. Most ALL Honda service centers refuse to work on bikes older than 10 years. If they wont stand behind their product for very long, why should you. Unless you have a good mechanic or you are good at wrenching yourself. Then it's all about taste. I bought a VERY low mileage 1981 GL1100 Interstate about 6 years ago because of 1. Price 2. Great Looks and condition. I bought it with the mistaken idea that it's a Honda. Plenty of Honda dealerships around to work on it. Wrong. No one would touch it. I was able to find the odd shop that would work on it and in the process learned to wrench a good bit of it myself. Mainly from the Forums on this site. Thanks to other members who have been extremely generous with their good advice and instruction.

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I bought an '02 with 97,500 miles on it about 4 years ago.
It was in showroom new condition, had a brand new 2010 rear end assembly installed on it,
Traxxion springs front/rear.

picked it up for $7k at the dealership where it was traded in for new bike.
luckily, the dealer had the original title in hand, and I wrote to the previous owner.
found out he was a 1800 mechanic and kept it up and meticulous records, even spark plug changes.

it has served me very well.... a very good friend does the PM on it for me every couple of years.

runs like it should.
for me, miles don't matter IF the bike is well maintained.
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If you have a normal size.. 1800, on the oth'r hand if you are bigger than the average bear, you'd be happier with a 1500.
It's a hard decision, go for a ride and let that answer you question.
Then again, if you don't plan on keeping it, I'd be forced into going with the 1800.
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Our 05 is just 156,000 miles always well maintained and cared for! Shes a keeper until the bitter end!
Our 94 had just over 76,000 before trading up to the 05 she was a good one also!
My choice is the 05!

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Take the 1800. You'll not regret it.

I own a 1983 GL 1100 Interstate with 66,000 actual miles. Bought it in 2000. I ride it about 2,000 miles a year. Love the bike. It's older but in the most excellent condition. Our local Honda dealership won't work on it due to being over 20 years old. They recommended a certified Goldwing mechanic who used to work for them. He's retired and his garage is a mechanics dream. He said my 83 is one of the best riding and looking cycle he's seen and worked on.

I bought a 2005 GL 1800 last year July. So far I've put over 3,000 miles on it. It now clocks over 100,000 miles and rides super great. I switch rides and never take the 83 on long hauls because the 1800 is a much better ride.

In my experience...... I thought my 83 1100 road smooth, (and still think that) but the 1800 has a better center of gravity and feel that my choice between age and mileage, will always be newer technology. My 1800 rides and handles so much better than 83 1100 Interstate.

Three weeks ago a deer decided to run into my 1800 while I'm riding with my brother in law. God kept me two wheels up and rolling as things went so fast. Hit and run. BAM. My right radiator is leaking, plastic broken, deer poop on right side and rear seat, but it's not totaled and insurance will repair it. I'm fine. I praise the Lord for angels protecting me.

So, until it's repaired and back up and running, I'm back on the 83 1100. I vote you get the 1800. Stay away from deer. Ride, ride, ride. Enjoy the wind therapy.

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My '99 GL-1500 just passed 100,000 miles.
Still runs like new.
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I just turned 51,000 (S)miles on my 2010... 1800 (trike) she still runs great................ :D

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MAINTENANCE. MAINTENANCE. MAINTENANCE. Age means little if the maintenance has been done regularly. Mileage means little if maintenance has been done regularly. That said- I usually buy LOW mileage over NEWER vehicle with higher mileage. ex: 1991 Lumina 6 years old 68,000 miles. v 1989 Buick Regal with 45,000- I bought the 89 Regal.. kept it several years and sold it to a friend who kept it several more years.



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