Suggestions for intercom/phone/CB headset?


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Suggestions for intercom/phone/CB headset?

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I want a stereo wireless headset system that A), provides an intercom with my passenger, B), lets me use my phone (BT), and C), links to an adapter that will connect earphones and mic to the hardwired CB.

Any suggestions?

To clarify, I want to be able to yak with my pax, yak on the phone, yak on the CB, and listen to music when I'm not yakking. I also want to feed the music to my passenger (aka BIB -- Brains In Back).

I will actually hook up a number of things to the hardwire adapter, selecting them through a rotary switch. Push-To-Talk switching will be done through the wired PTT switch already there, so all I need is for the (stereo) audio and mic to be wireless.

When I was on the bikes with panda paint, I didn't need an intercom, and everything went to the helmet over a wire through the Motorola control head, so it was easy -- I had a BT headset for the phone and the wired headset for all three radios, iPod, etc (two boom mics gave me a kind of Buzz Aldrin look). If I can't make my wishes here come true, I'll use a BT headset for phone and intercom, and do everything else by wire, but I'd like to have a single system (and boom mic) for all of it.

Since the common headsets offer wireless intercom, BT to phone, and a link to other riders, I'm wondering if someone has a unit or homebrew circuit that take over the other-bike link for the other stuff than I want to do.


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I don't know if this will do all you want, but we've been using a Lexin B4FM setup for over a year and have been happy with it. I bought the dual kit over a year ago, and it was very inexpensive,but works really well. I see, in the link below, the price has gone up quite a bit. It has worked well for us,regardless, is still a lot less $$ than the other popular models, and seems to play well with others.
https://www.amazon.com/LEXIN-Motorcycle ... 009&sr=8-1
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Solo So Long wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:01 pm I want a stereo wireless headset system that A), provides an intercom with my passenger, B), lets me use my phone (BT), and C), links to an adapter that will connect earphones and mic to the hardwired CB.

Any suggestions?

To clarify, I want to be able to yak with my pax, yak on the phone, yak on the CB, and listen to music when I'm not yakking. I also want to feed the music to my passenger (aka BIB -- Brains In Back).

I will actually hook up a number of things to the hardwire adapter, selecting them through a rotary switch. Push-To-Talk switching will be done through the wired PTT switch already there, so all I need is for the (stereo) audio and mic to be wireless.

When I was on the bikes with panda paint, I didn't need an intercom, and everything went to the helmet over a wire through the Motorola control head, so it was easy -- I had a BT headset for the phone and the wired headset for all three radios, iPod, etc (two boom mics gave me a kind of Buzz Aldrin look). If I can't make my wishes here come true, I'll use a BT headset for phone and intercom, and do everything else by wire, but I'd like to have a single system (and boom mic) for all of it.

Since the common headsets offer wireless intercom, BT to phone, and a link to other riders, I'm wondering if someone has a unit or homebrew circuit that take over the other-bike link for the other stuff than I want to do.
Unfortunately the CB is the weak link in your desired daisy link chain to do it bt.
J&M had a way but very expensive.
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You're wanting to integrate this wizardry on your GL1500?

Sena 20S EVO's, a Freewire unit might get you close.
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kwthom wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:26 pm You're wanting to integrate this wizardry on your GL1500?

Sena 20S EVO's, a Freewire unit might get you close.
Came across an optional mount for the 20s on revzilla which has the cord built in to connect to the din plug on gold wings. Act very similar to the corded j&m sets and with the functionality of the Sena bluetooths. Great option but gets pricey.
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The Sena misses the wire-to-wireless interface requirement.
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Solo So Long wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:05 pm The Sena misses the wire-to-wireless interface requirement.
No the optional docking/mounting point has the cord just like j&m that connects via the din plug. Just search revzilla for goldwing specific sena helmet mount clamp.

Update: saved everyone the trouble.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/sen ... g-cb-audio

I'll be ordering mine soon before they make it obsolete.
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It looks like this is a step in the right direction, but $400 for the whole package is a bit steep.
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Solo So Long wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:01 pm It looks like this is a step in the right direction, but $400 for the whole package is a bit steep.
Seems to me to be a cheaper option with less devices. Phone, gps, even radar detector connects bluetooth to the sena and the bike connect via cable to the sena.
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The only Bluetooth device that I need to link to is the phone.

The only other wireless device that I need to use is the intercom.

Everything else has a 3.5 jack, selected by rotary switch. What I would LIKE would be to have no wires going to the helmet. What it looks like I will end up with is a wireless intercom/phone and a wired headset for all the other stuff.
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You could always contact these folks. They can set you up with plug-n-play hardware. It'll be just over $300 but it is truly plug-n-play that will combine everything through the OEM system..............

http://www.cellset.com/motorcycleitems.html
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Thanks, I'll check them out.
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Great_adVENTURE wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:43 pm No the optional docking/mounting point has the cord just like j&m that connects via the din plug. Just search revzilla for goldwing specific sena helmet mount clamp.

Update: saved everyone the trouble.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/sen ... g-cb-audio

I'll be ordering mine soon before they make it obsolete.
Wait....so, what am I looking at?

A method to adapt the wireless functions of the Sena gear to the wired inputs for the Goldwing?

:roll:

Here's the 'design fail' for Sena. There's not enough Bluetooth channels in any of their headsets (with the possible exception of the 20 EVO...) to be able to listen to

* music/phone
* intercom
* two-way radio

at the same time.

Don't get me wrong, but this is one of my primary reasons I have yet to make that change to wireless functionality.
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You would think the manufacturers would look at the users' needs. Everybody needs phone, most people have music, and commo is popular, too.
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The SENA Freewire is intended to replace the hardwire from the Goldwing and can accept one additional input source over the stock Honda cable. But it only links to a SENA headset. It will provide full Honda functionality including CB and wired intercom to passenger. If passenger wants a wireless connection to Honda system, a second Freewire and headset will be required. Or they could not connect to Honda and just use bluetooth intercom to rider.

Depending on the SENA model, the SENA headset can connect by Bluetooth to the Freewire, a common phone and a GPS (which may also have a separate input source). The SENA will then, maybe, connect to another single headset using its intercom function or to multiple SENA headsets using its MESH network function. No rotary switch required. I believe J&M is similar.

This is designed to provide the following to your helmet headset:
Honda music radio
Honda CB (receive and transmit)
Honda two way intercom (with mute function)
Honda tape player (for GL1500) or AUX audio (for GL1800)
one other plugged in source (radar detector, satellite radio, MP3 player, etc.)
direct phone connection including communication, music, directions, etc.
external GPS possibly with music as well
intercom with pillion or riding buddy
intercom with group

If you choose the special Goldwing SENA headset mount that Great_adVENTURE linked above, you should get almost all the same functions but keep the Honda cord.
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Great_adVENTURE wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:43 pm
Solo So Long wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:05 pm The Sena misses the wire-to-wireless interface requirement.
No the optional docking/mounting point has the cord just like j&m that connects via the din plug. Just search revzilla for goldwing specific sena helmet mount clamp.

Update: saved everyone the trouble.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/sen ... g-cb-audio

I'll be ordering mine soon before they make it obsolete.

I want to say I remember seeing something similar from NOLAN but I don't have the link right now. All normal wired Honda functions plus Bluetooth to phone.
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Solo So Long wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:48 pm You would think the manufacturers would look at the users' needs. Everybody needs phone, most people have music, and commo is popular, too.
Yet, the GL1800 5th generation electronics was designed in 1999 or so. A good 10 years before ubiquitous cell phone ownership.

So, can't blame Honda for this. It's Sena and Cardo and J&M and....
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Those are the manufacturers I mean.
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Andy Cote wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:00 am Here are some other sources that may help with you goals:

https://www.freedommotoprod.com/product ... ss-headset
Definitely the right direction, but "proprietary radio protocol" makes them the only vendor, and their links to the manuals for this expired in February, which doesn't say good things about long-term support capability. Doesn't seem to support cell phone, either.
Cell phone not supported.
No phone or radio commo.
Cell phone not supported.
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I believe SENA has two solutions to what you asked for. J&M has one as well.
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Andy Cote wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:35 pm I believe SENA has two solutions to what you asked for. J&M has one as well.
Not for the price the OP wants to pay, it would seem.

It's not like there were 500,000 bikes of this model made that would make it feasible to do something - different.

I mean, a bit of study of the innards of the radio told me that Panasonic really didn't want to make it too easy to actually try and hack some of the systems - internally - within the radio chassis. I certainly wouldn't want to try it on my bike, and to get a test bench setup to actually do the experimentation needed to develop something is cost prohibitive.

Since there's only ~150,000 of this generation of bike out there, there's just no way it's gonna happen.

Contact Ed Davis (EdSets developer...) and query him about how much money & effort it took to come up with the BlueStreak device. What's needed is a *two* channel BlueStreak.
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I'm seeing some mixed reviews on the Freewire.

I expect to replace the factory radio in the not too distant future, so "staying with stock" isn't a consideration.

It is more and more looking like I will just end up with a wire to the helmet.
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Solo So Long wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:12 pm I'm seeing some mixed reviews on the Freewire.

I expect to replace the factory radio in the not too distant future, so "staying with stock" isn't a consideration.

It is more and more looking like I will just end up with a wire to the helmet.
If you replace the stock radio, you will not be using the stock CB with an updated radio unless you are going to do a major rewire into the new system.
Are you going to delete the CB as well? If so then BT will be far easier and less costly, again, integrating the CB 2 way is the hard/costly part of BT.
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When I'm done, I will have:

Intercom
AM/FM radio
Ham radio (transmit and receive)
CB radio (transmit and receive)
Phone (transmit and receive)
GPS
Music player

The intercom and phone will be direct from the headset
The radios, music and GPS will all go through a single rotary switch


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