Ethanol! Yes or No?


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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by suvcw04 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:13 pm



branson0319@att.net wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:48 pm
I have been using 87 octane with 10% ethanol for years in my 1500 and now my 1800 have never seen the difference in the way the bike operates using 91 octane VS 87 octane gas mileage the same and runs as strong in my mind .. Do use a stabilizer in the winter when the bike is stored.. .. Guess it is more preference than anything else
Alcohol has fewer btu's than pure gasoline. To get the same gas mileage would mean the laws of physics that govern the know universe would have to be altered. You may not NOTICE the difference, but both Einstein and Hawking would assure you that it is there.



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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:25 pm

my '02 gets a bit better mpg on pure gas than it does on E-10,

but, the slight increase does not come close to warrant the extra cost of pure gas...

around here, it is typically 35 to 50 cents/gallon more than E-10
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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by landisr » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:10 pm

Sorry if this is a repeat, but remember... the reason ethanol is cheaper is because it is Government Subsidized. So every time someone tops off with E-anything, that is money out of YOUR (and my) pocket. I cringe when I see someone grab the yellow E85 pump nozzle.

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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by suvcw04 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:40 pm

landisr wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:10 pm
Sorry if this is a repeat, but remember... the reason ethanol is cheaper is because it is Government Subsidized. So every time someone tops off with E-anything, that is money out of YOUR (and my) pocket. I cringe when I see someone grab the yellow E85 pump nozzle.

Ron
RIGHT. And . . . what you "save" at the pump costs you at the grocery store. Check the ingredients on the food in your home right now. Over half of it will list corn or corn sugar (dextrose) as an ingredient. The cost of which is inflated by using FOOD (corn) to power your cars and bikes.
Some economists claim it costs more to produce a gallon of alky than what it should sell for, hence, the government (tax money) subsidies. It also takes MANY GALLONS of water to produce a gallon of alky, and creates more air pollution. Gasahol is NOT a good deal for your pocket or for your lungs.
Ask any motorcycle manufacturer what they think about 15 % fuel. They will disallow fuel related warranty claims if you use 15% alky fuel. 15% is bad, but 10% is good? Kind of like being a little bit pregnant.

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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by FM-USA » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:00 pm

The UMTEEN-MILLIONS who have complained about ALL the many detriments of E-Fuel means nothing, yet a small hand full of protesters will bring down history (eg; statues).

Basically ethKRAPanol is a collusion of several entities, and NONE of those entities share the windfall wealth. That windfall should be going towards the Nations Deficit.
EH, but then, I'm talking common sense.
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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by Swagonmaster » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:24 pm

Since this thread has been resurrected I will point out that puregas.org can help you find fuel with no alcohol.

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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by Bluewaterhooker0 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:31 pm

I've been using non-ethanol gas for about 4 years in my 1997 GL1500. My reasoning was simply an aversion to putting alcohol in a 1997 vehicle, given it's corrosive, hygroscopic, and solvent nature. I run blended when I have to due to availability problems, but I'd say 95% of my fuel is alcohol free. I don't like paying the additional cost, but there is certainly an MPG return on the investment. Recently, I started putting it in my Mustang and Expedition, just for observation purposes. I noticed, in particular, the Expedition seemed to benefit by about 2 mpg increase in mileage. That's 10 mpg to 12 mpg average. There is nothing scientific or exactly measurable about my observations, because variations in climate, gas supplies, and driving variations per tank of fuel (trip lengths/aggressiveness on the throttle) all play a part in fuel economy. And, a 20% increase would seem to fly in the face of science and BTU's. BUT, given my observations, I am going to continue using the non-ethanol fuel in all vehicles, even with the added cost, as the per mile cost of fuel when figured out, is simply no different than using the cheaper stuff. $2.50/gallon E10 = $.25 per mile @ 10mpg. $3.00/gallon non-ethanol = $.25 per mile @ 12mpg. AND, I'm certain the engines will be happier burning what they were designed to burn, as well as all the rubber hoses, seals, and metal parts exposed to the fuel. The economy of using non-ethanol hold true across all vehicles.

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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by Solina Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:39 pm

I just saw this article regarding how the govenment of Ontario is going to save me from myself, whether I like it or not, by raising the minimum allowable ethanol content in gasoline, to 10%. That will be the highest minimum for any province in Canada. Kind of makes me proud! :lol:
It mentions that there is a federal mandate, regarding a minimum allowable ethanol content of 5%, in gasoline sold across Canada. Apparently some provinces set their own higher levels, but 5% is the minimum allowed by the government of Canada. That statement would seem to include all octane levels. However, I see pumps at a great number of stations (Shell, ESSO, Ultramar, and others) that label their premium gasoline pumps as having zero ethanol content. That's what I use all the time. The article doesn't mention premium gasoline, so hopefully it will remain ethanol free. But who knows?

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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by Solina Dave » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:31 pm

Just looking for a little bit of clarification regarding the provincial proposal to raise the minimum ethanol requirement by 2020, as posted above. I sent an email question to Chris Ballard, the Ontario Minister of the Environment and Climate Change. I've quoted the question, and the reply below. I'm not certain if I'm any further informed or not. It seems kind of ambiguous. I know that's hard to believe. But it's something to ponderanyway.
One word that caught my eye in the reply was "voluntarily." I would have thought, that with all of the other rules, labeling would be mandatory. But what do I know? I ride a motorcycle! :lol:

"Dear Mr. Ballard,
I just finished reading an article by Scott Sutherland, a Meteorologist/Science Writer, regarding plans by the government of Ontario to increase the ethanol level, to a minimum of 10%, in gasoline sold in Ontario.
Currently, it's my belief that regular and middle grade octanes are using 5% to 10% ethanol. However, I purchase premium gasoline at several stations in Ontario, that has a zero ethanol content. Shell is the one that I use the most often, and it's premium pumps are clearly labeled as having zero ethanol. I hope that is definitely the case, as my vintage motorcycle has a necessity for ethanol free gasoline.
I guess my question is; will I still be able to purchase ethanol free gasoline for my motorcycle now, and in the foreseeable future.
Thank you......................Dave"

Dear Dave:
Thank you for your email of December 5, 2017 to Minister Ballard about ethanol content in gasoline. I am pleased to respond on behalf of the Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change.
With the introduction of Ontario’s Ethanol in Gasoline Regulation (O. Reg. 535/05), which took effect on January 1, 2007, retailers have continued the industry-accepted practice of voluntarily labeling those pumps that may dispense ethanol-blended gasoline.
The Ethanol in Gasoline Regulation requires that fuel suppliers blend an average of five per cent ethanol in their gasoline on an annual basis; however, it does not require that every litre or grade sold contain ethanol. Accordingly, fuel suppliers can provide ethanol-free gasoline and still meet the regulation's requirements.
While most fuel suppliers sell ethanol-free gasoline in their premium grades, some do not. Accordingly, it is recommended that you check with your fuel supplier or retail station for confirmation.

I trust this information is helpful.
Sincerely,
Jeff Arp
Supervisor
Corporate Correspondence Unit
Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change
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Re: Ethanol! Yes or No?

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:06 pm

That is no different that what we have here is the states right now.

At the same pump, we can have E-0 87, 89, 91 and E-10 87.
There is a pump just like that, only 3 miles from my house at Oologah Dam quick stop, a little Conoco station.... he is the only one around that offers all 3 grades of E-0 and also E-10


you must look at each pump very closely, or you just might get the wrong stuff.

We have quite a few stations scattered around that sell only E-0,
We have several QT brand stations that have two E-0 pumps and about 20 of the E-10 pumps.

I use an Android app call Pure-Gas which lets me easily find my next fuel stop.
A little replanning ahead, can make your trip a lot less stressful.
I also carry a 1 gallon Jerry can with me with E-0 in it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... an.puregas

This might be available in the citrus OS store, I have no idea.


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