Thanks for the help guys!

[halcombrick]

well, got my starter off today, i have to say it was super simple to do thanks to the awesome how to on this site and everyone who helped me with advise. i was dreading it but it was the easiest starter i have ever removed i just had to unbolt my shifter and it came right out,i didnt have to drop my pipes or anything, just take the shifter lose and that was it, i have one being shipped to me now that supposed to work good but if it doesnt i will be doing the clean-up and brushes using the how to on here, thanks again everyone!

[littlebeaver]

Ya know, it kinda feels good don't it? I have never had to put the bike on the side stand though to line the starter up when re installing them, done it a dozen times at least.... I'm sure many do, I'm backwards most the time.. Sucker goes right in.. Glad you got it...Oh, I ordered that o'ring seal special to replace mine as it leaked a little oil, something to think about..

[halcombrick]

ok im confused now, when i put power to the starter when it was on the bike it did nothing but now that its off when i hit it with power it spins its no powerhouse i mean it spends but slowly is it possible it just didnt have enough power to turn the motor?

[littlebeaver]

You know why? because the movement that you did when removing it probably moved the brushes a tad so now when you put juice to it, it made some contact,, you need to open it up and clean her up and have a look at the brushes, you will be amazed after it's been cleaned up... you may find something burnt in it...It should spin well and strong when you have a good one.. just note where the washers go...and how they go.. also and nobody every mentions this,, clean up all around the engine where the starter bolts to the engine, clean it good as it has to ground proper there and make sure your frame ground from the battery to the frame is good..... sometimes dirt and oil make their way in, gotta have a good ground..

[halcombrick]

i was hoping it was something like that, i was gonna hook up my starter wire to some led lights and see if they light up when i hit the start button just to make sure it wasnt the solenoid but someone told me, if the solenoid is clicking then its working, when it does spin it doesnt spin fast enough on the floor to even vibrate it and make it move or anything i thought it seemed kinda weak

[littlebeaver]

You said you checked and cleaned the ground at the frame well right? I mean take the bolt off remove the cable, and really clean everything to the frame shiney, I used sandpaper....That ground is the most overlooked forgotten cable I have ever seen...lol,, it gets forgotten... Your whole electrical system relies on that cable.. One fella here years ago messed up a few starters, couldn't figure out why,, freakin bad ground wire connection.. Poor guy ....

[halcombrick]

i sure did, i used my dremel and my wire brush, at first i thought the ground connector was black in color but when i got done it was bright brass looking, then i put a sandpaper roll on and sanded the mating surface down on the block and put everything back, after that my lights were a lot brighter and my solenoid hit so hard when i hit the start button that it would actually jump but nothing else, dont know if this matters but i noticede the starter lug that goes into the starter was loose like maybe someone had the starter off before and didnt use a wrench behind their socket

[littlebeaver]

I'd say it's definitely a dirty starter, brushes are filthy I bet...... You'll get it.. once you open it up,, and see the junk in there OMG...34 years old it should be a little dirty.. My stud on my starter got broke the stud touched the case there was smoke and such...I took it apart and ended up JBwelding that stud in place,,, that was 3 years ago and no problems LOL,,, I cleaned mine up well and never had another issue,, fires with just a bump of the button..Good ground makes a big difference doesn't it?