Back from Idaho with the Rune

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:45 pm

Here she is. Only one problem. Keys can't be found. The Rune has a security key system unique to the bikes ECU. Chip in the key. It's called H.I.S.S. Honda Ignition Security System. I think a lot of European bikes have this same system. The Dealers here didn't know what I was talking about. One of parts guys didn't even know what a Rune was. I will have to get a new ECU in order to start it. Duplicates can't be made without at least one original key. If anyone here knows of a hack to over ride this please let me know. All I can do is clean and look at her for the time being.

Sidcar · Post by **Sidcar** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:52 pm

That's a lot of machine you've got there.
Can't you order a new key from Honda using the frame number?

Sid

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:27 pm

No. Key is coded to the ECM of each individual bike. I can get a new key shaft cut with the key code but the chip in the key is unique to the ECM. Once the chip and the ECM are programmed together they can't be changed.

Sidcar · Post by **Sidcar** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:42 pm

Bit of a sod. How long will you have to wait?

Sid

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:28 am

I can order a new ECM from Honda for $365. Plus I have to also order 2 chip keys for $35 each. So however long it takes to have it shipped. Probably from Japan.

Sidcar · Post by **Sidcar** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:34 am

It's only money!
Let's hope Honda get their finger out

Sid

OldZX11Rider · Post by **OldZX11Rider** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:05 pm

I suspect you're not going to let the local Honda mechanic install the new ecm.

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:36 am

You got that right. I have a service manual and the instructions are in there. Programming of the new keys included.

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:37 am

You got that right. I have a service manual and the instructions are in there. Programming of the new keys included.

OldZX11Rider · Post by **OldZX11Rider** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:26 am

I would also add if you don't want to spend four or five hundred dollars on it, I would be more than happy to take it off your hands.

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:17 am

You'll be the first person I consider if I can't come up with the $500.

Viking · Post by **Viking** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:29 pm

You do realize of course that as soon as you buy that ECM, install it, get keys and program the ECM to the keys, where you got the bike from will locate the keys that you needed in the first place.

Or at least, that is how it would come down the pike for me...

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:51 am

That wouldn't surprise me one bit.

YouTube · Post by **WingAdmin** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:25 pm

If you can find a dealer somewhere that knows what HISS is, and knows what they are doing, you can have them clear the ECU, and then program two new keys to the ECU. Most likely cheaper than buying a brand new ECU.

And make sure you get two keys, and program them both - that way if you lose one, you can use the remaining one to program a new one.

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:41 am

WingAdmin wrote:If you can find a dealer somewhere that knows what HISS is, and knows what they are doing, you can have them clear the ECU, and then program two new keys to the ECU. Most likely cheaper than buying a brand new ECU.

And make sure you get two keys, and program them both - that way if you lose one, you can use the remaining one to program a new one.

I have spoken to 4 dealers so far. 2 parts guys had to look up what a Rune was and the others weren't knowledgeable about the HISS system. Didn't even know that the Rune had type of security. I actually got into an argument with one of the parts guys about it. He tried to sell me a new lock set. I found a company in England that claims to be able to reprogram the ECU but his cost is more than a new one.

The programming instructions force you to program at least 2 keys before the programming is completed and the owners manual and the service manual state that if all keys are lost the ECU has to be replaced. The Service manual has instructions for this but there is a special programming cable necessary. Looking now for a hack for building a cable.

MikeB · Post by **MikeB** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:38 pm

Hey, Ding Dong, remind us again why you decided to travel down this Rune road? Seems like a lot of leg work could possibly have been done before you picked it up or accepted delivery. Did you have any idea this was going to be such a chore before starting this journey?

Old Fogey · Post by **Old Fogey** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:45 am

Try the Honda Auto dealers first. I guarantee they come across this problem all the time.

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:35 am

MikeB wrote:Hey, Ding Dong, remind us again why you decided to travel down this Rune road? Seems like a lot of leg work could possibly have been done before you picked it up or accepted delivery. Did you have any idea this was going to be such a chore before starting this journey?

MikeB. The bike was given to me by my brother when he passed away. No one knew that the keys were missing until I got to Boise. His estate was being sold at auction so no telling what happened to them.

I finally called the American Honda customer assistance center and they actually have an extension dedicated to the Rune. They were very helpful. I will have to purchase a new ECU and two blank keys to program when it arrives.

They even required the VIN number so they could verify ownership, which they did, before they would even give me the information and part numbers.

MikeB · Post by **MikeB** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:49 am

Ahh, I totally understand. I would be doing the same thing for sure. And most likely, like you, wouldn't care if I had to jump through hoops of fire, I'd get it taken care of. Good on you.

52wingnut · Post by **52wingnut** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:50 pm

Always thought that bike was gorgeous. Just looks like pure sex riding down the road. I wish you many miles of good memories with this bike especially since it has special meaning to you.

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:48 pm

52wingnut wrote:Always thought that bike was gorgeous. Just looks like pure sex riding down the road. I wish you many miles of good memories with this bike especially since it has special meaning to you.

Thank you. I feel the same way.

CMReynolds1 · Post by **CMReynolds1** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:37 pm

Even tho you are having some issues right now. Those to shall pass! Then you are stuck with the best looking and fast factory bike. I will stand in line to buy if everyone else fails. It looks like it is going Mach I when parked! So cool!

dingdong · Post by **dingdong** » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:06 pm

Hoo Rah! Received the new ECM and keys yesterday. What a job to replace. Just started the bike after programming the new keys to the ECM. Now to get it put back together so I can test ride. Zoom Zoom.

FM-USA · Post by **FM-USA** » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:36 pm

dingdong wrote:Hoo Rah! Received the new ECM and keys yesterday. What a job to replace. Just started the bike after programming the new keys to the ECM. Now to get it put back together so I can test ride. Zoom Zoom.

Curious to the total cost of this... "Lost Keys".
Besides, you have some sense of security that the "Lost Keys" can't fit the bike.

Viking · Post by **Viking** » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:50 pm

dingdong wrote:Hoo Rah! Received the new ECM and keys yesterday. What a job to replace. Just started the bike after programming the new keys to the ECM. Now to get it put back together so I can test ride. Zoom Zoom.

Wow... what an adventure. I am glad to see that you got it started. Next time you post, it will be with the joy of having ridden your brothers bike. Cherish the memories.

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