Stuck brush in the starter again.Idea needed


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Stuck brush in the starter again.Idea needed

Post by virgilmobile » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:32 pm



My flood restored gl1500 has a recurring problem.One month after completion,the starter quit..Stuck brushes..I cleaned the area very good(so I thought) and it operated 3 more months...Quit again...So I removed the brush holder and dipped in muratic acid...cleaned meticulously and coated with ATF...Well it lasted a year..Same problem..One stuck brush due to rust worms...

Rust worms attacking again
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The question I have...
Now that I have it all cleaned back up..Is there anything I can spray/dip/apply to this to stop the rust worms.???
It appears that this brush holder plate does not exist..there's no part number for it either.
It's different than the 1990 and up starters.

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Re: Stuck brush in the starter again.Idea needed

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:20 pm

I have used a product - not sure if it available in USA or not - it is called LANOSHIELD - it's basically sprayable wool grease - non-conductive and puts a layer over the components - it's also safe for processor boards.

It will protect and pretty sure you will never have that problem again..

Here is a link

https://www.crcindustries.com.au/produc ... -inhibitor

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Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:33 am

in the states, this is easy to get.

read what they say, use this and it will never rust again.

http://strongarmsprays.com/

I would get the small spray bottle.

it is available from distributors, Amazon, etc.
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Post by DaveO430 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:35 am

Your starter is obviously getting water in it. There should be a thin o-ring around the end to prevent that.

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Post by virgilmobile » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:58 am

The starter is sealed.no water or moisture at all.It appears dry but i may "bake" it just to be positive.There may be hidden moisture in the windings.

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Post by Alan_Hepburn » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:21 pm

Probably moisture in the windings. Those of us who own motorhomes with generators are told to run the generator for about 30 minutes monthly, under at least 1/2 load, to dry out the windings. You probably don't want to run a starter for that long, but you need to get it up in temperature to boil off any moisture.
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Re: Stuck brush in the starter again.Idea needed

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:03 pm

Alan_Hepburn wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:21 pm
Probably moisture in the windings. Those of us who own motorhomes with generators are told to run the generator for about 30 minutes monthly, under at least 1/2 load, to dry out the windings. You probably don't want to run a starter for that long, but you need to get it up in temperature to boil off any moisture.

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Post by Techdude2000 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:31 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:58 am
The starter is sealed.no water or moisture at all.It appears dry but i may "bake" it just to be positive.There may be hidden moisture in the windings.
Can you post a picture of the whole starter motor? Trying to figure out what the differences are.

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Post by virgilmobile » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:21 pm

Differences in starters?
The 88-89 has 2 electrical connector posts.both positive and negative connections.
The 90 and up have just the one post and use the case for grounding.
The reverse circuit is different in the 88-89.
I plan on baking the starter electrical / less the mechanical parts...Any suggestion on how hot and time?
I was guessing about 180° for a hour in a small turbo convection oven I have spare.

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Post by redbug » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:35 pm

What about the cell phone in the bowl of rice trick and dry it that way?
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Post by virgilmobile » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:21 pm

Or both..Use the rice to absorb the moisture as I bake it out...Just found out that my little oven only goes to 200°

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Post by Techdude2000 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:33 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:21 pm
Differences in starters?
The 88-89 has 2 electrical connector posts.both positive and negative connections.
The 90 and up have just the one post and use the case for grounding.
The reverse circuit is different in the 88-89.
I plan on baking the starter electrical / less the mechanical parts...Any suggestion on how hot and time?
I was guessing about 180° for a hour in a small turbo convection oven I have spare.
Thanks for the explanation. If the rust trouble continues, this might be an option.
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Post by redbug » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:04 pm

Just found this...3123-MT8-008 brush plate for 1988 at Southern Honda Powersports Chattanooga Tn. 423-486-9089. Maybe....
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Re: Stuck brush in the starter again.Idea needed

Post by AZgl1800 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:01 am

virgilmobile wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:21 pm


I plan on baking the starter electrical / less the mechanical parts...Any suggestion on how hot and time?
I was guessing about 180° for a hour in a small turbo convection oven I have spare.

that will work just fine. that is the same as the normal engine temperature, and an hour or two in the oven will drive all the moisture out.
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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:30 am

redbug wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:04 pm
Just found this...3123-MT8-008 brush plate for 1988 at Southern Honda Powersports Chattanooga Tn. 423-486-9089. Maybe....
I just went there and did a lookup.
The # you list should be for the 1990 models and up.
The 1988 model shows the brush holder but no part number.The starters are different but I don't know if the brush holder is.

No part number
No part number


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Post by redbug » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:36 am

Yeah I see that now , grrrr .
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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:39 pm

I kinda have a plan.
Chemically remove all rust(muratic acid).
Detox everything including the brushes(the protective sleeve)
Put all parts in a pan with rice covering everything.
Bake for 1 hour at 200°...or untill done. :D
Cool and spray PB blaster(rust inhibitor) on the brush holder..(after removing the rice).remove excess PB blaster over spray.
Grease and seal it back up.
Whatcha think?

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Post by DaveO430 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:14 pm

If it is sealed that should do the trick.

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Post by redbug » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:55 pm

I would go rice in the bowl only. Cover it up, wait a day ,maybe fresh rice it again. Now this is the consensus of the real cooks in the kitchen. I am concerned about the heat and warping of the plate my self.
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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:12 pm

Everything in the starter (in my mind) should tolerate the heat.It is bolted directly to the engine and it does run at 195°.
I don't think the rice will be edible tho.
That's not how they make "dirty rice" here in Louisiana.
At least I hope not. :shock:

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Post by redbug » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:41 pm

Never coud tole a cajon on how to cook. You could clean the rust off it if you put that starter in a pot of community coffee but there would not be anything left.
well let us know how it all come out , starter gumbo et to fe.
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Post by gervais » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:53 pm

hi all,well if i may add,i just rebuilt my starter and all calipers on my GL1200.i have used COKE,,,yes COKE to clean some deposit and you could be surprised how it is,,,corrosive!!!
i also dismantle my starter and it need it,there was one of the seal that was partially not there so water or condensation could form there,the grease inside was contaminated A LOT !!!in fact she was not doing her job at all and when i rebuilt it i used Wynns Syntech Grease and works grese for 20 years + for me .

i would say that when you are doing a good check for maintenance like i am doing and changing the cam belt you should clean,grease the starter.i add a kit but i did not used it,i found their chinese bearing too be worst than my old JAPAN made so i left the old one there and also the brushes were just 25-30% used so i did not used the Chinese crap,,,,,,,,,in fact i should have not baught this kit and buy the OEM brushes because it is so important.

it was just my 2 words :-)

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:17 pm

I like the Coke idea too and keeping it sealed is important.Mine was sealed ok..it got water in it from the engine side.The bike was submersed under 6 feet of water for 2 days.

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Post by gervais » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:24 pm

well
when i used Coke
i also used a toothbrush to clean and water after that,

i was so surprised,,in fact it freaks me !

i remember eating pizza with,,,,,,,,,,Coke.

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Post by redbug » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:37 pm

How's the starter gumbo doing?


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