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Phillips had screws

Post by dpilotextreme » Fri May 25, 2018 7:17 am



There is no such thing as a phillips head screw on a Japanese piece of machinery
The screws that look like phillips head screws are actually JIS screws
JIS is Japanese Industrial Standard
They look like phillips head screws, but if you use a phillips head screwdriver the chance of stripping out the X cut on the head is very great
Google JIS screwdriver and buy the correct tool
I have heard many guys curse those cheap screws on jap bikes
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by WingAdmin » Fri May 25, 2018 7:18 am

dpilotextreme wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:17 am
There is no such thing as a phillips head screw on a Japanese piece of machinery
The screws that look like phillips head screws are actually JIS screws
JIS is Japanese Industrial Standard
They look like phillips head screws, but if you use a phillips head screwdriver the chance of stripping out the X cut on the head is very great
Google JIS screwdriver and buy the correct tool
I have heard many guys curse those cheap screws on jap bikes
Not so, grasshopper
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by 823JIM » Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 pm

The real question is why does my '03 Goldwing which was built in the USA have "JIS is Japanese Industrial Standard" screws in it? Metric is one thing but to use JIS is Japanese Industrial Standard screws that nobody even stocks a screw driver to fit. Can't by at any hardware, automotive or tool store around here, I have asked, need to go to internet to find. Some of these bikes were built before there was internet shopping. OK I'll stop my rant, but just feel this is poor engineering, if anyone can really figure out an engineers thinking. Take them out once put allen head back in and be done with problem.

Maybe if Phillips had screws they would have used them.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by landisr » Sat May 26, 2018 10:49 am

Now it makes sense after all these years... Back in the 60s I discovered that I could break loose stubborn screws by gripping the 'cheap' tool kit Philips screwdriver shaft with the pliers. Now I know why. Amazing.

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by landisr » Sat May 26, 2018 10:52 am

On second thought, I wonder if we already have JIS screwdrivers in our current OEM tool kits. ?

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by C-dub » Sat May 26, 2018 8:11 pm

landisr wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 10:52 am
On second thought, I wonder if we already have JIS screwdrivers in our current OEM tool kits. ?

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by DenverWinger » Mon May 28, 2018 8:37 am

Those bikes that have an OEM kit include JIS driver.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by DaveO430 » Mon May 28, 2018 6:43 pm

I've been working professionally on Japanese bikes and cars since 1979 and have never owned a JIS screwdriver and never had a problem with screws. I have always had good quality tools, no craftsman or harbor freight kind of junk.

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by C-dub » Mon May 28, 2018 7:44 pm

DaveO430 wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 6:43 pm
I've been working professionally on Japanese bikes and cars since 1979 and have never owned a JIS screwdriver and never had a problem with screws. I have always had good quality tools, no craftsman or harbor freight kind of junk.
http://www.bestmechanictoolset.com/top- ... ol-brands/
Craftsman looks like #4 here. I've had the same set of Craftsman tools my dad bought for me for my 18th birthday back in '83. Not one has broken. Maybe not used as extensively as your tools, but it also doesn't seem like only my opinion that they are not junk.

I've noticed since I bought my 1983 Suzuki in '83 that phillips tips didn't quite fit right and had to be careful when using them, but I didn't know why until seeing this thread. It's never caused me any "problems" either, but I was careful.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by DaveO430 » Tue May 29, 2018 6:32 am

C-dub wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 7:44 pm
DaveO430 wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 6:43 pm
I've been working professionally on Japanese bikes and cars since 1979 and have never owned a JIS screwdriver and never had a problem with screws. I have always had good quality tools, no craftsman or harbor freight kind of junk.
http://www.bestmechanictoolset.com/top- ... ol-brands/
Craftsman looks like #4 here. I've had the same set of Craftsman tools my dad bought for me for my 18th birthday back in '83. Not one has broken. Maybe not used as extensively as your tools, but it also doesn't seem like only my opinion that they are not junk.

I've noticed since I bought my 1983 Suzuki in '83 that phillips tips didn't quite fit right and had to be careful when using them, but I didn't know why until seeing this thread. It's never caused me any "problems" either, but I was careful.
Strange they didn't even mention Matco or Cornwell. I will admit craftsman tools are strong, some of them, but their box end wrenches and impact sockets are too thick and their chrome sockets are brittle and their screwdriver tips are butter soft and their ratchets strip in a stiff breeze. I have a set of Husky tools I won in a competition in 1977 and still have and use them regularly, and they came in at #8.

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by C-dub » Tue May 29, 2018 12:15 pm

It’s just one poll or website’s opinion, so who knows for sure. Newer Craftsman tools don’t seem to rate so well. Maybe that’s why I’m so satisfied with mine.

I’ve not had a need to sprint for a newer or better set, but have bought specialty stuff occasionally over the years. Just like I’m sure I’ll get me a set of JIS screwdrivers for my Wing now that I’m aware of them and their use.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by dingdong » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:32 am

Any tool is only as good as it's operator.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:52 am

dingdong wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:32 am
Any tool is only as good as it's operator.
Yeah???

who says so???

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by FM-USA » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 am

dingdong wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:32 am
Any tool is only as good as it's operator.
..as long as the operator uses said tool correctly.
Had to add.

Eg: using a flat blade screwdriver as a chisel.
Wallering a hole larger with a drill bit.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by dingdong » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:26 am

FM-USA wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 am
dingdong wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:32 am
Any tool is only as good as it's operator.
..as long as the operator uses said tool correctly.
Had to add.

My point exactly!

Eg: using a flat blade screwdriver as a chisel.
Wallering a hole larger with a drill bit.

I've seen the idiots on American Chopper do exactly that. lol

Using a blow torch to light a cigerette (singing eyebrows).
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by C-dub » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:42 pm

FM-USA wrote:
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Using a blow torch to light a cigerette (singing eyebrows).
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What tune were they singing? :P

I had to ask. Singeing was the word I believe you were wanting, but it sure looks odd with that "e" in there, doesn't it?
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by FM-USA » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:33 pm

C-dub wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:42 pm
FM-USA wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 am
Using a blow torch to light a cigerette (singing eyebrows).
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What tune were they singing? :P

I had to ask. Singeing was the word I believe you were wanting, but it sure looks odd with that "e" in there, doesn't it?
Auto-Correct seems to have a mind of its own.

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by curtm » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:11 pm

Funny we talk about Quality tools, Seems like on my 91 i have to use the cheap jap JIS screwdriver out of my cheap jap tool kit Honda provided to loosen the cheap Jap JIS screws for my overpriced american snap on screwdrivers. In fact i think my set of 6 snap on screwdrivers were like $140 , But a good set of JIS screwdrivers are not cheap either, I have been a mechanic for 30 years and it's been a long secret that japanese motorcycles use JIS screw, in fact there are a lot o Motorcycle mechanics do not know about JIS screws, thus stripped screw from dealer worked on bike, guess that is why i wrench on my own bikes
by the way DaveO430 let me know what shop you work at for reference
Hmm
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:42 am

curtm wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:11 pm
Funny we talk about Quality tools, Seems like on my 91 i have to use the cheap jap JIS screwdriver out of my cheap jap tool kit Honda provided to loosen the cheap Jap JIS screws for my overpriced american snap on screwdrivers. In fact i think my set of 6 snap on screwdrivers were like $140 , But a good set of JIS screwdrivers are not cheap either, I have been a mechanic for 30 years and it's been a long secret that japanese motorcycles use JIS screw, in fact there are a lot o Motorcycle mechanics do not know about JIS screws, thus stripped screw from dealer worked on bike, guess that is why i wrench on my own bikes
by the way DaveO430 let me know what shop you work at for reference
Hmm
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by Choctaw » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:58 pm

Stripped the screw on the bottom of my right side mirror while installing Muth mirrors. Very frustrating for sure. Luckily a screw extractor worked nicely and happy the Muth mirrors came with replacement screws. I would like to buy a kit of JIS screw drivers though. Wonder if I could find them on Amazon. I never knew they existed.

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by dirtwinger » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:13 pm

If you have Harbor Freight in your neighborhood, they have a JIS screw Driver kit for $7.99...PN 90764. Or, if you would like to have a single one, PN 94707 is for $1.69. I have this single one and it works quite well for my Wing and for my dirt bike. Wish I had known about JIS many years ago, as it would have saved many stripped screw heads.

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by curtm » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:05 pm

dirtwinger, are they actually JIS screwdriver or just close
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by C-dub » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:51 pm

Both of those part number dirtwinger provided are described as phillips tips on the HF website.
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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by dirtwinger » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:45 am

Harbor Freight describes the screw drivers as "Phillips," but it is obvious that, when the tip is compared to a standard #2 Phillips, the shape is different, and is more like that of a JIS. And, a JIS screw driver will work for a Phillips screw as well as a JIS screw. I am not alone recommending the Harbor Freight ones, as I learned of these from another GL forum where this same discussion went on forever. When I insert my Harbor Freight screw driver in the head of a screw on my Japanese bikes, then try a Craftsman #2 Phillips screw driver on the same screw, it becomes obvious the fit is much more secure with the Harbor Freight one. I don't know if any other Harbor Freight screw drivers are JIS. Only the part numbers I previously listed are known to me as okay. For a buck sixty-nine, how could you go wrong? Try it! You'll like it!

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Re: Phillips had screws

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:37 pm

Choctaw wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:58 pm
Stripped the screw on the bottom of my right side mirror while installing Muth mirrors. Very frustrating for sure. Luckily a screw extractor worked nicely and happy the Muth mirrors came with replacement screws. I would like to buy a kit of JIS screw drivers though. Wonder if I could find them on Amazon. I never knew they existed.
As I mentioned - Vessel JIS screwdrivers are very high quality (now my favorite screwdrivers) and they are available on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-ali ... ingdocs-20



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