Starters again


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tegid
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BMW K75 1985

Starters again

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I previously posted this under the gl1100 section but I thought may be other members could help.
This is a follow up to a previous post "side cars" I recently bought a side car rig with gl1100 1983. The previous owner warned me of problems with starters - in the box of bits that came along with the bike were two starters mark MITSUBA.
I read of the article by WingAdmin on removing rebuilding starters. And so I stripped both starters and what I found stresses the importance of the third point in his article “Use a thin end wrench to back up the lug…..” I attach a couple of photos to show what happens if you don’t !!
The two starters, both Mitsuba are internally different - starter 1 has the coil connections at the end away from the input lug. and starter 2 has all the connections at the input lug end.
Everything else in the starter looks in good order. Anyone got any advice on re-soldering these connections ? Seems a shame to bin them.
Tegid
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Starter 1 note connector strip sheared from the input lug
Starter 1 note connector strip sheared from the input lug


Starter 2  most of the coil connections sheared
Starter 2 most of the coil connections sheared




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Re: Starters again

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A high wattage soldering gun and patience (things will heat slowly) will likely suffice for the coil connections, to solder to the bolt head get someone to help (more hands) and heat the bolt itself from the outside with a propane torch on low while you work the solder gun from the inside. Quench with water in a spray bottle....

Worth a try.....

Another option would be an automotive starter/alternator rebuilder. There's a nice friendly shop a few miles from my house that has happily worked on motorcycle starters for me. They more likely will have better tools to fix that.
♫ 99 Little Bugs in the Code, ♪
♪ 99 Bugs in the Code. ♫ :(
♫ Take one down, Patch it around, ♪
♫ 127 Little Bugs in the Code. ♫ ♪ :shock:

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tegid
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Re: Starters again

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Denver winger
Thanks for the advice - there is a lack of specialist repairers in France - when I first settled here about twenty odd years ago I went in search of brushes for a motor in a washing machine - at best a new motor was proposed and at worst "time to buy a new machine" I found the brushes on a uk site and all was fixed in a couple of days. And so I am having a go at repairing the starters. The soldering job looks possible- thanks for the tip on heating the bolt- but on stripping the parts ready for soldering I find the insulating grommet on the positive input lug is shot. Any ideas where I can find the grommets or ideas about about making up a piece, would be welcome.
Best wishes
ps I am an engineer / researcher who has battled with code since fortran 4 - oh how true your little ditty is !

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1972 CL350 (1980-1988) sold
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1977 GL1000 (2002-2006) sold

Re: Starters again

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If no starter rebuilders in France, how about Hardware stores? A nylon or fiber shoulder washer that fits the bolt and another flat one should do the job. You can always drill out the bolt hole in the starter case to fit the shoulder on the washer.... Might want to do the soldering with the washers removed so you don't melt or burn them...

Regarding code, I remember a nice long list of bogus Assembly Language "Op-codes" from years ago.... Funny as hell! :lol: Wish I could find it again.
Some examples:
begin:
                  HCF         ' Halt and Catch Fire
                  SPR         ' Shred Printer Ribbon
                  DWIT       ' Do What I'm Thinking

Safe travels and rubber side down!


♫ 99 Little Bugs in the Code, ♪
♪ 99 Bugs in the Code. ♫ :(
♫ Take one down, Patch it around, ♪
♫ 127 Little Bugs in the Code. ♫ ♪ :shock:

~Mark

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