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DIY car maintenance

Post by 97Aspy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:13 am



Didn't know where to put this topic maybe we should have a rant forum . This has nothing to do with Goldwings and if the Admin doesn't think this is appropriate feel free to delete this topic just have to rant and get this off my chest.
Yesterday I replaced the serpentine belt on my wifes 2013 Cruze. Piece of cake right. Wrong. Since this belt is routed around the right
motor mount it needs to be removed and motor needs to be supported using a floor jack before attempting to replace.
Last week changed the low beam headlight on my 2010 Malibu which requires the removal of the bumper guard which is basically the entire front end of the vehicle. What the ****?
Point is newer the vehicles are becoming engineered in a way that simple maintenance items aren't so simple anymore.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by cyberlon » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Not all older model cars are a breeze to work on, had a '77 Mercury that required the engine to be pulled just to replace the starter. (ended up cutting a cross-brace then re-welding it instead.)

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Post by Rednaxs60 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:11 pm

Let's not forget the three or so hours needed to replace the air filter on an 1800. Three hours labour at say $100.00/hr for a $25.00 part - good for the shop.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by 97Aspy » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:24 am

Wow pull the motor to change a starter. Glad I didn't have a 77 Merc.
You are right on Ernest more time eqauls more money.
I think most people do their own DIY first to save money and also when the job is done nothing like
the feeling of hey I fixed that. Shouldn't gripe I guess if I didn't want to do it I could take it
to the shop and pay the piper. Thanks for letting me vent feel better now.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by tirebuildersrule » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:24 pm

designers and engineers should have to work on the stuff that they come up with

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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by julimike54 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:33 am

tirebuildersrule wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:24 pm
designers and engineers should have to work on the stuff that they come up with
Always said this! I think they are designing so people won't even try to work on them, thinking they'll take back to the dealer, ha, last place I'd take it!
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by Mag » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:43 am

2002 Monte Carlo SS.....to replace spark plugs on the motor at the back of the engine (yes, installed "sideways"), engine had to be dropped and rotated. Uhhhhh, spark plugs cost how much? What the hell are car companies coming to?

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Post by Rednaxs60 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:10 am

Worst I know of is a VW Golf - 14 hours for a new timing belt, have to drop engine. GL1800 3 to 4 hours for an air filter change - air filter $25.00. Cash cow these vehicles are.
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Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:44 pm

Thought I would try to save a buck yesterday, bought oil and filter for the Suburban, made a huge savings of $18 over just taking it across the street and letting my friends do the job at their shop.

Never more, quoth the Raven.... Never more.... I have to slide under the truck, drop the oil, get that black stuff all over me and my clothes, and at 75 years of being young, that is no fun anymore.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by landisr » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:45 pm

My brother-in-law's headlight burned out, but couldn't figure out how to get the headlight assembly out of his 2012(?) Buick Lucerne. Took it to a private shop. $125 p & l. Stealer would have been even more.

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Post by landisr » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:48 pm

A lot of newer cars & trucks need to have a front wheel and inner fender removed in order to change the oil filter.

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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by jeffcosmo » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:37 pm

I worked at a dealer. Sure, their prices are high, however, at least at the dealer group where I worked, the technicians were really top notch. Plus, they work all day, every day on your particular car, therefore knowing the ins and outs, ups and downs of your particular car. A private shop, well, it may be the very first time he has seen your particular car, doesn't have the manuals or proper tools, and therefore uses your car to teach himself. Dealers, on the other hand ALWAYS have the right tool, as the factory, as a part of the agreement, ships the tools and demands payment, or you lose your right to sell that brand.

Sure, they are more money, but do you want someone learning how to work on your car, sans manuals and tools, while you pay him??

Me, nobody touches anything I own, ever. Save for A/C work in the home (I will not purchase those tools, too spendy), I do everything. Home, bike and auto, nobody is allowed to work on my cars. So, my cars have to be somewhat older, as I do have limitations. Therefore, I only buy VX20 4 cylinder Toyota Camrys (1997-2001). I, and my daughters (and in-law) all have VX20s, five total. There is much, IMHO, to recommend this exact Toyota:
They regularly run over 300,000 miles (one of mine has 310,000 on the original engine, trans, axles, and most suspension bits [save struts], the rest are in the 200,000 range)
Non-interference engine, which means if the timing belt breaks, nothing is damaged. I have towing on one car, they don't check the VIN... ;)
Timing belt takes one hour to replace, 15 minutes more with water pump.
Parts are very readily available, and cheap. Headlights are $25 and take 5 minutes to change the whole unit, not worth mentioning how little time to replace the bulb (ultra common H4). Struts can be had for around $400 for all four, and take about three hours to do all (the whole unit, with spring).
Even if you should have to have a technician do the work, they're still cheap, because they are easy to work upon (and common enough that the tech should be familiar).
Loads in the junkyards for parts, if you do that.
There is a reason Toyota sell thousands yearly, they are nice, if a trifle boring, cars.
They are "submarines" - cops never 'see' them.
Even tires (195/70-14 or 205/65-15) are cheap as hell. Even good brands.
There are no real trouble areas, the damn things just run forever, even with poorer than average maintenance (not recommended for anything, however...).
Check CL - even real nice ones sell for a couple thou, more than that and you're cheating yourself, or it's ultra-low mileage.
They don't even rust much, three of mine (in the Chicago/Milwaukee area) are rust-free, the other two have very minor rust.

There are some "problems", if you will.
Some folk's egos just won't let them have a car that is old, period. After all, what WOULD the neighbors think??

But, hey, the above is just my opinion (and experience, backed up by owning 5, and buying more next year, the twins turn 16...)

Cosmo

This one does say "Lexus" - badges are cheap in the junkyards, and my sense of humor is odd.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:45 am

I just bought a "brand new" 2001 Chevy Suburban at the very young age of 204,411 miles on the odometer.

The guy who owned it was a motocrosser with Amsoil as promoting advertiser, so it has been on Amsoil for years. I drove it down the roughest back country roads you ever saw, he lives about 50 miles south of Stillwater, OK in the goat country..... it rode so sweet, the steering is so tight, I could not believe it felt like a brand new vehicle.

Paid him $2,000 and went home with a 4x4 Suburban..... the next day, I drove it almost a 1,000 miles south of Austin, Texas and purchased a Weekend Warrior Toy Hauler so I can park my bike in the garage and have a/c on my long rides to the rallys....



back in 2008 a Penske 18 wheeler driver decided that he needed to have my HOV lane. the result of that was a body that doesn't have short term memory, and no ability to control my core body temperature... so, if it is over 85* an Air Conditioner is a requirement for me.

That "wore out" junker of a car runs like a top, turns on a dime, everything works, it is the luxury edition with double visors over the driver and passenger windshields... awesome....
I bought 5w30 Mobil-1 today and an AC-Delco oil filter....
Tomorrow, it gets changed.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by 97Aspy » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:11 am

Cosmo my original thought was the way newer vehicles are being engineered. Nothing against guys that work in a garages or dealerships. In my younger days I worked in a garage as an inspection mechanic. Everyone has there own circumstances and preferences on which vehicles they like and can afford. Who cares what the neighbors or anyone else thinks. If you like it that is what counts.
Damn John your are lucky to still be around after that accident.
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by jeffcosmo » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:53 pm

97Aspy wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:11 am
Cosmo my original thought was the way newer vehicles are being engineered.
Look at the car and instead of thinking "How do I replace that", think the way the factory does: "What is the cheapest method of installing that"
Almost all service issues arise out of production efficiency. For instance, wheel bearings. Used to be cheap rollers, well-suited to the job, easily serviced and would last the life of the car if serviced even sporadically. However, installing those on the line used a lot of labor. Having an encapsulated bearing unit installs quite fast with little labor cost. However, those are usually ball bearings, NOT suited to impact loads (they brinell easily, rollers do not) so they will fail after a decent pothole, certainly after 100,000 miles or so. And they are more expensive. But, it's easier for production.

And, really, after the manufacturer sells the new car, no body really cares how hard it is to service, it just has to be cheap enough so that some poor slob BUYS the thing. And that need for cheapness is what drives a lot of production decisions.

P.S. And for one of my pet peeves: Do not tell me that any car will survive with good maintenance, there have been quite a few cars produced with inherent design flaws.
A few of them: Escort with CVH head (they're all cracked), Saturn DOHC heads (same), Cadillac HT4100 (whole engine cracks), Tempo, Corsica, Beretta (no idea, they're all gone).
I know that there are people who have manage 300,000+ miles out of average to below average reliability cars. Good for you. When I recommend a car (Camry, remember), it also tops the list at Consumer Reports for almost all years. Sure, not everybody is enamored with a Camry, but it'll get you there, and back, always.

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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by DaveO430 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:20 pm

jeffcosmo wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:37 pm
I worked at a dealer. Sure, their prices are high, however, at least at the dealer group where I worked, the technicians were really top notch. Plus, they work all day, every day on your particular car, therefore knowing the ins and outs, ups and downs of your particular car. A private shop, well, it may be the very first time he has seen your particular car, doesn't have the manuals or proper tools, and therefore uses your car to teach himself. Dealers, on the other hand ALWAYS have the right tool, as the factory, as a part of the agreement, ships the tools and demands payment, or you lose your right to sell that brand.

Sure, they are more money, but do you want someone learning how to work on your car, sans manuals and tools, while you pay him??
Amen to that. I have seen plenty of rip offs and screw ups from independent shops and if you have a problem they may just tell you to stuff it. All 4 of the dealers I have worked for will make it right if you have a problem after service, a lot of times even if it wasn't something they did.

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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by DenverWinger » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:41 am

jeffcosmo wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:53 pm
I know that there are people who have manage 300,000+ miles out of average to below average reliability cars. Good for you. When I recommend a car (Camry, remember), it also tops the list at Consumer Reports for almost all years. Sure, not everybody is enamored with a Camry, but it'll get you there, and back, always.
+1 on the Camry. My 1985 has 350,000 Mi, never done anything to the little 2 liter engine besides tune-ups, timing belts, and I had to split the oil pump to replace the "o" ring seal between halves that had crystallized and was leaking. Still doesn't use any oil to speak of.....
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: DIY car maintenance

Post by brian.peters » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:43 pm

so the Saturns at launch were touted as being designed with service in mind. Not sure if they spent too much design time on that and not enough on making the car appealing but Saturn is no more, even though they were pretty good cars and pretty easy to work on for a front drive compact car.



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