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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Comey » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:28 pm



I am not concerned with the length or countersink, just the diameter diff from 7MM down to 1/4.
Hope they stay tight.
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by dingdong » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:31 am

Okay I replaced a Superbrace with The Blackwing. Went for a 400 mile day trip this past weekend. The main difference I feel is better stability at speed when hitting bumps and when running over the crown of the road or uneven ridges. Used to wallow quite a bit and now very steady. Also steadier through the curves. Didn't notice a great improvement in slow speed handling, some improvement but not much. All in all I'll keep it.
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by ozemarketeer » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:19 pm

I cannot recommend this product highly enough. Mine is a '96 Aspencade. I fitted the Super Brace in 2001 and have 'lived' with the slow speed wobbles being told it's the tyres, worn tread, road surface, ad nauseum.
Fitted the Blackwing Brace last month (September, 2015). Did a small test ride over to the next country town and there was a distinct improvement, but not one handed riding. (learnt that from experience).
Since then I have travelled over 6,000km (almost 4000miles) covering the Great Dividing Range (great twisties!), major highways, country rural roads and a touch of dirt.
Absolutely amazing response to the steering and handling. More confidence sweeping through high speed corners and curves, with narey a shake of the head or tramlining.
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:13 am

Managed to snag a Blackwing Brace from ebay, purchase price the grand sum of US$10.99, plus a small postage fee of US$7.70 to a colleague who will send it to me.

I'm not worried about when it arrives - but will definitely provide feedback after I have it installed..

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by FM-USA » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:19 am

Aussie81Interstate wrote:Managed to snag a Blackwing Brace from ebay, purchase price the grand sum of US$10.99, plus a small postage fee of US$7.70 to a colleague who will send it to me.

I'm not worried about when it arrives - but will definitely provide feedback after I have it installed..

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:20 pm

Here is the item from ebay and the description, so I obviously hope it is OK.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1988-2000-Ho ... true&rt=nc

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by wingman12 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:34 pm

good deal, it looks ok in the picture anyway. to make you installation a little easier, you will need two 2 inch long bolts with the same thread as the 4 enclosed hex bolts. remove two of the orginal bolts 1 on the left and one on the right, use the two spare bolts to hold the anchor plate that is under the fender and above the tire in place so that you can remove the other two bolts and install the brace once you remove the brace from your freezer. clean up the area good and lightly tap the brace into position and pull up on the two spare bolts to position the anchor plate and snug down two of the hex bolts. remove the spares add the last two and tighten then down and you are ready to head down the road. :D :D

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:27 pm

Thanks for the response, I was intending to buy some all thread rod, but will be able to find a few bolts around my shed that will fit.

I have watched the video installation - so I should be good to go.

Might even make a video myself - not a very professional one though..... :)

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:50 am

wingman12 wrote:good deal, it looks ok in the picture anyway. to make you installation a little easier, you will need two 2 inch long bolts with the same thread as the 4 enclosed hex bolts. remove two of the orginal bolts 1 on the left and one on the right, use the two spare bolts to hold the anchor plate that is under the fender and above the tire in place so that you can remove the other two bolts and install the brace once you remove the brace from your freezer. clean up the area good and lightly tap the brace into position and pull up on the two spare bolts to position the anchor plate and snug down two of the hex bolts. remove the spares add the last two and tighten then down and you are ready to head down the road. :D :D
You don't need to buy the two inch long threaded rods, the kit comes with them included.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:45 pm

WingAdmin,

the one I bought was from ebay - and I don't think will include the threaded rod.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by FM-USA » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:22 pm

Aussie81Interstate wrote:WingAdmin,

the one I bought was from ebay - and I don't think will include the threaded rod.
You can get by without those longer bolts.
I used a long screwdriver and wedged it tween the tire and lower brace. Could even use a wedge of wood before removing the 4 bolts.
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:07 pm

After receiving the fork brace, and having pretty lousy weather for the last few days, installed this morning, followed recommendations to put it in the freezer before installing it was good plan. Took only a short time to install.

Problem I had was undoing the original bolts- they have never been removed before and were scary tight, enough that I had a few moments of thinking I would snap my hex key tool - but when they did crack open they came out very easily.

I took all 4 bolts out - while my son held up the bracket underneath the mudguard (because I was too cheap to go and get some appropriate length threaded rod), I popped the bracket in place and secured it quickly with the 4 new cap head screws/bolts so it wouldn't drop down. Then just a matter of tension the bolts up, fork cover back on - all done - 15 minutes tops. Will give a result here shortly after I go for a test ride. :)

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:13 pm

Well that ride did not eventuate yesterday - too wet.

My ride o work this morning is only about 5km's so not a real lot to feel the differences, but there is a difference. Definitely a lot firmer feel to the whole front end.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by nightprowl3r » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:11 pm

I would like to add my 2 cents. My last 2 front tires have worn very unevenly. I started checking pressure before every ride and kept front tire at recommended pressure. The bike was feeling more loose in corners than it ever had and I didnt push it too hard . I also noticed the chrome cover on fender above the fender had cracks in it that I had not seen before. I was browsing this forum and found this thread and read all the comments . Knowing I did not have a brace I decided to give this a try. Ordered from facebook page and did not have any issues installing the brace. I took the bike for a ride around the block and felt the dfference immediately . This brace is hands down the best mod I have installed to date. I have over 8k on front tire and it has worn evenly. The bike no longer feels loose in corners and every time I hit some twisty roads I think WOW! I am so glad I installed the blackwing brace. The shifter pivot mod is a close second . Don't be scared to spend $55 on the brace .you will not be dissappointed.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:56 pm

Since the installation I have done about 1000 miles on the bike - and overall impression is a very good product - and honda should have put one on the bike when they sold it... I like the cornering confidence it has helped stop the slight wobble I had in the front end when pushing hard in and particularly out of corners.. much better ride.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by golden highway » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:03 am

You all convinced me I just ordered one

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by FM-USA » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:35 am

golden highway wrote:You all convinced me I just ordered one
Order two and be twice as happy.
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by golden highway » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:55 pm

I watched the video on installing the blackwing brace and though this should be easy ha ha ha ha. I forgot it was me do the work. The four Allen bolts were scary tight. I twisted and bent one Allen wrench but finally got them out. I went to install the blackwing brace only to find our it was to large to fit. My forks were out of alignment. Once I got passed these issues it installed easly and the fit is exact. My issues were caused by the previous owner and had nothing to do with the blackwing brace. I haven't had a chance to try it out but I am sure between having the forks aligned and the blackwing brace installed it should handle better. I plan on replacing the fork oil but I don't have any so as soon as I get some I can put everything back together and give it a try.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by ankgrays » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:00 pm

Do they make them, do I need one for an '81 GL1100I ?
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by Blackngold » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:23 am

So is this low speed "wobble" also the cause of the embarrassing drop? Kinda like hemorrhoids, no one wants to talk about it. Or is the drop just a matter of too much engine and gravity pulling harder than I can resist to hold it up with one leg? Never had this prob on any other MC ('85 1200) but this is one heavy bike and my legs ain't what they used to be. I'm 6' and have learned to be VERY cautious at sandy covered asphalt stop signs. Put the foot down and it slips! OOPs bike down! :oops: When I'm riding two up the first thing I tell my Passenger is when we come to a stop DO NOT MOVE AROUND or try to get off till I get the kickstand down. Sorry If I got off subject.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by wingman12 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:41 am

Good morning blackngold. I installed the super brace years ago to reduce the wobble, when the blackwing brace came out I decided to gamble the $55 and buy one. It was one of my best installation, completely changed the slow speed handling. With the upgrade to progressive springs and new oil in the front forks, no more nose diving and I don't have to keep a eye on the air pressure anymore. I haven't riden enough miles yet (8,000 miles) last summer to notice any tire issues yet. :D :D

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by golden highway » Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:13 pm

I had a chance to ride a few hundred miles of back roads and highways after installing the blackwing brace. I found the front was a lot more stable but I could feel more frame flex in the rear. I am not an engineer but I do play one in my garage :roll: I wonder from an engineering stand point how the brace changes the way everything works together and why Honda engineers didn't install something like this. I would love to hear their take on it. With that said I won't be removing it anytime soon.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:48 am

golden highway wrote:I had a chance to ride a few hundred miles of back roads and highways after installing the blackwing brace. I found the front was a lot more stable but I could feel more frame flex in the rear. I am not an engineer but I do play one in my garage :roll: I wonder from an engineering stand point how the brace changes the way everything works together and why Honda engineers didn't install something like this. I would love to hear their take on it. With that said I won't be removing it anytime soon.
If I were to make a guess:

The reason it wasn't added was cost. A $20, CNC-milled hunk of aluminum, added to every single bike, over millions of bikes, is a big chunk of money.

The reason you're feeling frame flex: Because the sloppy front end was absorbing it before. If you have flex in the front steering system and flex in the rear suspension, the moment of rotation will be in a set position, longitudinally, on the bike. Tighten up the flex in the steering system, that moment of rotation will move, and you can sense that.

Whether it's actual frame flex or looseness in the suspension you're feeling, I couldn't say. It might be worthwhile having a look at your swingarm and checking it for lateral free play. My GL1100 had significant lateral free play in the swingarm due to the fact that a previous owner had installed the pivot pins backward. I had no idea until I replaced the tires and wheel bearings, tightening things up. Once I did that, the bike suddenly developed a scary high speed weave, which I tracked down to the swingarm. The free play had been absorbed earlier, but once I tightened things up (and removed the castering effect of a squared-off, worn rear wheel) it raised its ugly head.

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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by FM-USA » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:04 am

98K miles with rear woggles?
Have you tried up'ing the tire pressure?
Mine wiggled a little, found the rear larger wheel bearing was going, not gone but a noticeable wiggle.
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Re: Blackwing Fork Brace for GL1500

Post by golden highway » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:41 pm

My bike doesn't have any wiggle or looseness in the rear. The bike handles great and is stable. I just can feel the change in the way the bike feels.

My question was one of curiosity of what it changes from an engineering stand point not that there is any issues or concerns about my bike. I would love input from a Honda engineer that really knows the design of these bikes. Would they be hitting their head with their hand going wow why didn't we think of that or we didn't do it because. I don't buy the money savings part. That much improvement for what it would cost Honda to mass produce a brace seems a little far fetched but who knows.



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