How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?


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How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by swr1977 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:15 am



I am a bit confused... I was told when I purchased my GL1000 that it's ignition has been upgraded to an electronic ignition. So do I follow the instructions in the manual? If so which it talks about Static and Dynamic timing... Also do I still have Contact Breaker Points or is there an electronic pickup instead?


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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by Maz » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:02 am

swr1977 wrote:
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I am a bit confused... I was told when I purchased my GL1000 that it's ignition has been upgraded to an electronic ignition. So do I follow the instructions in the manual? If so which it talks about Static and Dynamic timing... Also do I still have Contact Breaker Points or is there an electronic pickup instead?
The points will have been replaced with electronic sensors (either magnetic or optical, depending on the system). The dynamic timing can be checked in the same way as with with points, using a strobe lamp. Static timing can still be checked and some ignition systems have a control box with an LED indicator to show when each sensor is triggering, which should coincide with the firing mark on the crank. You can substitute your own test lamp in a similar way to how you would with points.
The sensors (which replace the points) are movable in the same way as the points were.
My advice would be to establish which make of electronic ignition you have (probably Dyna, as this was most popular for Goldwings) and download the installation/setup instructions, which are readily available from the internet.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by ekvh » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:47 am

Download instructions are still available at Dynatek online if it is a Dyna. If you post a pic, we can tell you which you have.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by thrasherg » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:52 am

As stated, you will need an electronic strobe light to check the ignition, there really is no other way to check it, but even with a strobe light you need the CDI instructions as it will be required to check the timing at a specific set of conditions (certain engine speed, etc). First thing is to identify what CDI you have , then get access to a strobe light and it should be easy from that point onwards!!

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by ekvh » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:58 am

Nothing but a 12 volt test light is needed for static ignition timing. Not difficult. To utilize a strobe timing light you would also need a degree wheel or marks. The only marks on the 1000 model are for static TDC and full advance.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by swr1977 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:51 pm

Maz... I knew it's a DYNA III ... I should've said that in the first post.

Maz & ekvh... I posted a few pictures here... and I also searched Dynatek and found this... http://www.powercommander.com/downloads ... /D31-3.pdf ... I have yet to read thru it word for word... I wanted one of you to confirm I've found the correct instructions. Do I disregard the timing instructions in the manual and follow these?

Gary/thrasherg... what is CDI ?

Also can any of you tell me if they type of timing light matters? I think my uncle has one that he uses on his car (classic Firebird with a V8)
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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by thrasherg » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:43 pm

CDI stands for Capacitive Discharge Ignition, its a generic term for an electronic ignition unit.. Sorry for the confusion!! I believe the Dyna unit does NOT use points but either an optical or an inductive pickup, so the static timing cannot be set with a simple light bulb, you need a strobe light to correctly set/verify the timing.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by Maz » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:59 am

swr1977 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:51 pm
Maz... I knew it's a DYNA III ... I should've said that in the first post.

Maz & ekvh... I posted a few pictures here... and I also searched Dynatek and found this... http://www.powercommander.com/downloads ... /D31-3.pdf ... I have yet to read thru it word for word... I wanted one of you to confirm I've found the correct instructions. Do I disregard the timing instructions in the manual and follow these?

Gary/thrasherg... what is CDI ?

Also can any of you tell me if they type of timing light matters? I think my uncle has one that he uses on his car (classic Firebird with a V8)
That's the one!
Page 4, part 1 onwards tells you how to set the static timing with a test light. Follow the rest of the instructions and you'll find the whole procedure quite easy.
The timing procedure in the manual is still relevant, with regard to the correct marks on the crank to use, however, any mention of points is, obviously not, as the Dyna sensors replace these. A standard strobe light (like the one you mentioned) can be used to check/set the dynamic timing.
The engine doesn't care if you are using points or electronic ignition - Either will simply switch the coils on and of at the correct moment.
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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by ekvh » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:32 am

Any 12v light works. Some guys use a buzzer. I put the light right in the opening to the timing marks. Just begin approaching F1 and 2 slowly to see where it lights. It may take some futzing to get it right. One time my bulb went in the test light and I used the brake lights from the bike.

One oddity to the 1000’s is a variation in timing between cams. Sometimes you get it spot on at F1, then roll it over to F1 again and it’s off a little. Then back to the first F1 and it’s spot on again. Without getting into the cause which can’t be changed, the advice is to split the difference the best you can so the first F1 comes a little before or after F1 and the second F1 is the opposite. This gives the bike much better idle manners and stops spark knock when taking off. Sometimes it happens on F2 as well, so check it on both F2 marks. The good news is you shouldn’t have to touch this again. Credit to Randall Washington et al who publicized this.

Confused? Remember the cams only make 1/2 revolution to every revolution of the crank.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by Maz » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:40 pm

ekvh wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:58 am
Nothing but a 12 volt test light is needed for static ignition timing. Not difficult. To utilize a strobe timing light you would also need a degree wheel or marks. The only marks on the 1000 model are for static TDC and full advance.
A strobe light can be used. Connected to #1 plug wire and using the firing mark on the flywheel. Obviously you have to remove the inspection cap to see the mark and replace it with a transparent cap. The marks are not the easiest to see, as the flywheel is covered with oil as it spins.
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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by ekvh » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:01 pm



You can also use a strobe off the cam pulley. Just mark the backplate using a protractor. Crank degrees are halved. This works for checking advance without all the oil mess.

I don’t think I could ever set points or electronic ignition using a timing light.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by DaveO430 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:42 pm

thrasherg wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:43 pm
CDI stands for Capacitive Discharge Ignition, its a generic term for an electronic ignition unit.. Sorry for the confusion!! I believe the Dyna unit does NOT use points but either an optical or an inductive pickup, so the static timing cannot be set with a simple light bulb, you need a strobe light to correctly set/verify the timing.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by dingdong » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:02 am

To avoid all the confusion and "misinformation" please click here........

http://www.powercommander.com/downloads ... 1_31-2.pdf
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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by Maz » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:28 pm

dingdong wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:02 am
To avoid all the confusion and "misinformation" please click here........

http://www.powercommander.com/downloads ... 1_31-2.pdf
ding dong,
The original poster (swr1977) has already linked that, above.
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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by swr1977 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:33 pm

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to test if the Dyna III electronic ignition box is working correctly? I started my bike this-morning and it ran fine.... got ready for my ride... went to restart I have no spark... I checked the coils and there are fine... bike has new plugs and timing belts... they are fine... checked static timing with a test light and nothing... nether blue or yellow wires light on ether F1 or F2 timing marks! Any Help or Suggestions are greatly appreciated! If you have Facebook please comment here then PM me!
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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by landisr » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:39 pm

Double-check your kill switch.

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Re: How Do I Set Timing with Electronic Ignition?

Post by swr1977 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:44 pm

landisr wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:39 pm
Double-check your kill switch.

Ron in AZ
Thanks! the kill switch is one of the first things I tested... the problem was a loose power wire going to the electronic ignition box.


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