What to look for when buying


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What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:44 pm



Hello all,

I'm looking at picking up a 1976 GL1000 this weekend. This would be my second Goldwing, but my first 1000. I restored an 83 1100 Aspencade about a year and a half ago, so I've got a decent feel about what to look for in general, but what should I specifically look for on a 1000? I'm ready to do belts, valve adjustments, rebuild the carbs, overhaul all of the brakes, and do new tires and tubes. Anything else you guys can recommend I look at before pulling the trigger? I can't help but rescue this poor old girl.







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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by badandy » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:14 pm

No carbs or exhaust? Big $$ items there. Hard to find decent oem exhaust in usable condition w/o rust issues. Check the gas tank for bad rust. PIA to remove and clean properly.

I picked up a 1977 18 months ago and put about $1,500 in it just to make it road worthy. You won't recoup the money you pit into it. They are a labor of love.

Just some of the things I did to mine. It sat for 16 years in a heated basement.

Battery
Tires/tubes
Carbs rebuilt and cleaned
Points and condensers
Brake m/c and calipers rebuilt front and rear
All fluids/filters changed
Water pump and rad hoses
Fan thermo switch
Timing belts and idler bearings
Valve cover gaskets
Bulbs and fuses
Clean gas tank

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DenverWinger » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:31 am

Wouldn't hurt to put a wrench to the rotor bolt and see if the engine turns over or not, who knows how long the carbs have been off or what might have gotten in there....
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:12 am

Carbs and exhaust are included, just off the bike. The exhaust actually looks pretty good.






All sounds like the same stuff to look for on my 1100. I'm not expecting to make money on this, I just love having some kind of project to tinker on, and can't stand seeing a potentially good bike rot away.

The guy said the bike ran last fall, and they took it apart to clean the carbs. We've all heard that story before...

For what it's worth, this one is a lot nicer looking than my 83 was when i picked it up, and that one turned out ok.



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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by fatalbert » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:18 am

You better go look at your bank account before pulling the trigger on this hanger queen. I realize this is a passion, but the cost of R&R of all the necessary parts to make it safe and road worthy will not make sense. I speak from bringing back to life two GL1000's. One thing seems to lead to another as far as needed parts. Unless the price is only a few hundred dollars, I would steer clear. As mentioned, make sure the engine at least turns over freely. There is nothing more rewarding than owning a $2500 motorcycle that you spent that much restoring.

If your married, don't let your significant other find out how much your spending on parts.

Let us know how this turns out and progress if you proceed.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by fatalbert » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:33 am

One parting thought. Check the drive shaft. At least pull back the rubber cover and take a look at the splines and u joint and make sure it is not broken. One I picked up had a broken drive shaft which you have to hunt down on the used market.

I would bet the gas tank has rusted up inside. I had to pull both tanks out of mine to get the rust out. One of the tank the metal screens in the bottom of the tank had rusted out and I had to find a used replacement tank. Removing these tanks is an afternoon of frustration and will seem to be almost impossible when you are doing it.

The exhaust looks pretty good from the photo. If the price was right I would have a hard time walking away from this bike. What are they asking for the bike? Hopefully it is under $500.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:46 am

He's asking $500, but I'm going to try to get it for less. I'm going to be in the area with my friend and his truck and trailer picking up a GasGas dirt bike for him, so this is on the way home.

I'll of course check all the obvious stuff. If the motor is stuck, I'm walking away. I had the tank out of my 1100 twice, so no surprises there. I'm fully expecting to have to take this one out and hit it with some Evaporust. As far as buying parts, I get pretty much everything at cost because of my job, so that helps immensly. In the past, my restorations were always rush jobs because I lived in an apartment and my garage had no heat or electricity and wasn't very dry. Now I've got a house with a beautiful garage, so I can really take my time.

I've got a bit of a sickness when it comes to saving old bikes. I'll gladly tear something down to the frame and build it back up, even if I get a bit upside down. It really is a passion of mine to bring these old timers back.

I'm going to check it out tomorrow. I'll post photos if I end up bringing it home.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by Fred Camper » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:29 pm

Looks like the rear grab rail is there, they are hard to find. They can crack near the blinker mount so check on that. Sulfer yellow is a popular color these days, a bit rare as back in the day that color did not sell well and dealers repainted them before the sale. Looks to be in reasonably good shape, that exhaust alone might fetch $150 or so. The stock carborators are excellent unless stored for years without use. Nowadays we use marine stablil to combat the ethanol in gas and the carbs do great.
Rankakk has the best rebuild kit and sells an excellent video that is worth the expense. Mike Nixon also sells an excellent carborator rebuild guide.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by badandy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:06 am

DWade1990 wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:46 am

I've got a bit of a sickness when it comes to saving old bikes. I'll gladly tear something down to the frame and build it back up, even if I get a bit upside down. It really is a passion of mine to bring these old timers back.
I know this sickness very well. I have three old girls now. The 77 Wing, an 82 Silverwing and a 1983 Shadow. None of which I paid more than $600. But none were in running condition and sat for a long period.







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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by SnoBrdr » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:21 pm

fatalbert wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:33 am
One parting thought. Check the drive shaft. At least pull back the rubber cover and take a look at the splines and u joint and make sure it is not broken. One I picked up had a broken drive shaft which you have to hunt down on the used market.

I would bet the gas tank has rusted up inside. I had to pull both tanks out of mine to get the rust out. One of the tank the metal screens in the bottom of the tank had rusted out and I had to find a used replacement tank. Removing these tanks is an afternoon of frustration and will seem to be almost impossible when you are doing it.

The exhaust looks pretty good from the photo. If the price was right I would have a hard time walking away from this bike. What are they asking for the bike? Hopefully it is under $500.
Wow, you asked the price and didn't get trashed.

I asked a guy that same question, he was in the UK and I'm obviously in the USA.

The grief I was given, for asking a fair question, was unreal.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:29 pm

Well she's home! I tried like hell to get the guy to come down from $500, but the man just would not budge. He knew he could part it out for much more than that.

It's going to need the usual treatment (brakes, belts, tires, tubes, spokes, rad cleaned and hoses, carbs gone through, cables, maybe bearings, and more cleaning and polishing than I care to think about), but everything is there. It's a very solid bike that just didn't get used as much as it should. The stickers on the plate are from 2010.

On the way home, we drive through some of the hardest rain I've ever seen in my life. A literal tornado almost touched down right next to us on the highway. Since the carbs and exhaust were off the bike, the cylinders filled with quite a bit of water, but I pulled the plugs out when we got home and it turned over ok. Man that water shot out WAY further than I expected it to. I shot some WD40 into the cylinders after it cleared itself out and all seems ok for now. We'll see how it looks when I get the motor apart.

All in all it looks like it should be a fun project. Now the only problem is that my garage is full!

The ugly fairing and rack on the back lasted all of 5 minutes after I unloaded it off the trailer haha











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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by fatalbert » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:45 pm

It was not so much a question of the price , but rather an opinion of what I thought might be a fair offer for the bike. It looks to me like he knows what he is doing. I don't think there is any reason to be rude when asked the price of a bike. It provides a data point to all of us on what the market is for old mothballed bikes.

The second GL1000 bike I bought for a parts bike for $300 was not as complete or nice as the 76 listed here. After inspection I decided to restore it back to it's 1975 glory. I understand the passion and satisfaction returned by doing a restoration.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:49 pm

I just checked, and unfortunately the kick starter is long gone, but the original owners manual is in good shape!

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by fatalbert » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:50 pm

Just saw your post after leaving a response about bike prices. I am glad you pulled the trigger on the bike and it will be saved from ebay hell.

Keep us posted on how it goes.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:24 pm

fatalbert wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:50 pm
Just saw your post after leaving a response about bike prices. I am glad you pulled the trigger on the bike and it will be saved from ebay hell.

Keep us posted on how it goes.
This one may not get underway as quickly as I'd like. I just took in that VMax in the picture the other day from a friends' dad. It hasn't been on the road in over 5 years and needs lots of attention, too. Hey the money I'm going to make fixing that might just pay for the purchase price of this 76!

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by Fred Camper » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:24 am

Glad you are saving a nice ride. Consider saci G that paint, as once they loose their patina it takes many years to get it back.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:11 pm

Wow look what I found! I had no idea the side panels opened up like that. How cool!



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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by Fred Camper » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:15 am

But of course. Kinda proves the bike was always without a fairing. When you have a fairing they cannot flop down, so the user removes the bottom hinge and cable stops and just removes them for service. But for those of us without a fairing, the hinge and cable is perfect for easy electrical and fuse service.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DenverWinger » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:32 am

DWade1990 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:11 pm
Wow look what I found! I had no idea the side panels opened up like that. How cool! 20180612_083150.jpg
The Kickstarter!!
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by Fred Camper » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:47 am

You never want to use that, but it essential for a OEM condition. B
Glad it was not lost.

The fairing/windshield it came with must have not restricted the side cover opening up. You will love this bike.

The process I recommend is to change the belts, fix the brakes, then reassemble the carbs and start riding.

Way better to get some miles on her before checking compression etc. The rings can reset with riding and best to know everything she needs to make you happy before you move into a restoration process.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by landisr » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:14 pm

Hi, Fred C. Could you clarify for me what you meant by "Consider sci G that paint"? Thanks a bunch.

DWade: Congrats on your new project!

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by Fred Camper » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:07 pm

Typo issue for sure. I meant saving the original paint. Once you repaint, the original paint is gone never to return. Many make the repaint mistake and then search for OEM painted panels to get her back to a vintage look. Aged paint can look great in a show.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by landisr » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:08 pm

Copy that re original patina. I did submit to my wife's wishes and had her yellow 76 painted hi gloss black. But I get compliments on it. See my avatar. Now my new 76 LTD.. that's a whole new ball game! I think later this week I will ask my buddy to come over and help me start working on a plan to 'logically' methodically remove wires and components of the fairing, trunk etc. And document each one. 5 more weeks minimum no riding. :roll: I've got to do something to help my sanity...

Sorry. My meds are kicking in... :lol:

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by DWade1990 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:18 pm

No way am I going to repaint it. I'll bring the paint back to life with a few body shop tricks i know, but no new color will be sprayed.

I am really thinking about getting the frame powdercoated, but we'll have to see. I still haven't really even touched the bike yet. We're on mandatory 15 hours overtime at work, and I've got this VMax in my garage that is taking up any spare time I have. It might clean up ok with a little work.

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Re: What to look for when buying

Post by SnoBrdr » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:21 am

Fred Camper wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:07 pm
Typo issue for sure. I meant saving the original paint. Once you repaint, the original paint is gone never to return. Many make the repaint mistake and then search for OEM painted panels to get her back to a vintage look. Aged paint can look great in a show.
I have the original panels packed away and got another set when things were cheap for everyday use.



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