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Saltspringer
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Hi,

I have just replaced my starter with a new unit from EBay. It works like a hot damn and has solved my issue with very slow cranking. The replacement came with a new sprocket, just like the one in the picture below...


I dutifully copied the orientation of the sprocket with the flat face of the sprocket facing the starter motor, but in playing with the old, failed, motor on the bench I am starting to second guess myself and think that the way I installed the sprocket is the wrong way around...
Can somebody definitively tell me which way the flat face of the sprocket should face, in towards the stater motor or out, away from the starter motor?

Sorry to ask such a dummy question; I just have the nagging feeling that perhaps I copied an error made by a previous owner.

Any advice would be most appreciated!

Cheers

Andy


1946 Norton Model 18, 500cc single
1946 Harley WL45 Flathead
1960 BMW R60/2
1972 BMW R60/5
1973 Norton Commando
1976 Honda GL1000
1981 Moto Morini 500

1960 Triumph TR3A sports car, in many boxes.....
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Looks like it's supposed to go "This Way". Good Catch!


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Thanks Denverwing, that's a very useful photo.

Unfortunately it looks like I installed my sprocket the wrong way around; an illustration of the dangers of assuming that who ever worked on your bike previously, got it right...

I guess I will be lying on the garage floor again.... Interestingly it all seems to work just fine, but I can imagine that the starter shaft is not engaging with the required depth of splines in the sprocket and the starter chain is running slightly off vertical.

Thanks guys

Andy
1946 Norton Model 18, 500cc single
1946 Harley WL45 Flathead
1960 BMW R60/2
1972 BMW R60/5
1973 Norton Commando
1976 Honda GL1000
1981 Moto Morini 500

1960 Triumph TR3A sports car, in many boxes.....
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I hope you didn't buy one of those cheap $70.00 starters because they are absolute junk. I tried one and it lasted about a week before the gears stripped out.
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Mmmmmm.... have to admit I did. I will let you know if it fails.

I did store the original, failed, starter and could take this opportunity to switch over the original gear set to the body of the new starter. The original starter gear set looked in great shape.

Andy
1946 Norton Model 18, 500cc single
1946 Harley WL45 Flathead
1960 BMW R60/2
1972 BMW R60/5
1973 Norton Commando
1976 Honda GL1000
1981 Moto Morini 500

1960 Triumph TR3A sports car, in many boxes.....
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Andy- I don't think the parts will interchange. I know the sprocket won't interchange, but I am not sure about the gears. I highly recommend returning it.
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Tough to know what to do, the damn thing weighs a ton and the postage would probably be half its value. I will pull it off the bike this weekend and contemplate it on my bench....

The original Honda starter had been opened up and crudely repaired by a previous owner. I don't think it is salvageable, I think the positive pin on the outside of the body had been deformed down into the stator and carved up the top.

I will let you know what I find this weekend.

Cheers

Andy
1946 Norton Model 18, 500cc single
1946 Harley WL45 Flathead
1960 BMW R60/2
1972 BMW R60/5
1973 Norton Commando
1976 Honda GL1000
1981 Moto Morini 500

1960 Triumph TR3A sports car, in many boxes.....
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Might be able to fit the original gear head and sprocket to the new motor....

Take the old motor down to your local automotive Starter/Alternator rebuilder to see what they say, might be able to restore it for reasonable cost.
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♪ 99 Bugs in the Code. ♫ :(
♫ Take one down, Patch it around, ♪
♫ 127 Little Bugs in the Code. ♫ ♪ :shock:

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That's a good thought and definitely an option if I start to get cold feet about relying on the Chinese replacement.

I might take it in to the local shop and ask them for a quote on the work.

Thanks for the advice!

Andy


1946 Norton Model 18, 500cc single
1946 Harley WL45 Flathead
1960 BMW R60/2
1972 BMW R60/5
1973 Norton Commando
1976 Honda GL1000
1981 Moto Morini 500

1960 Triumph TR3A sports car, in many boxes.....
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