Goldwing 1100 Head gasket


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Goldwing 1100 Head gasket

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Would like to hear comments in regards to tightening cylinder head bolts. Should they be re-torqued after warming the engine the first time? Or is re-torquing necessary? Do I need to buy new cylinder head bolts, like my '88 Ford 2.9L engine? (Haven't done THAT job yet). Should I wait for the engine to cool before re-torquing? Should I wait for the engine to warm and cool several times?.....Just want to get it right.


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mxyzptlk8833 wrote:Would like to hear comments in regards to tightening cylinder head bolts. Should they be re-torqued after warming the engine the first time? Or is re-torquing necessary? Do I need to buy new cylinder head bolts, like my '88 Ford 2.9L engine? (Haven't done THAT job yet). Should I wait for the engine to cool before re-torquing? Should I wait for the engine to warm and cool several times?.....Just want to get it right.
You should not need to replace the cylinder head bolts. Best practice is:

- Apply molybdenum disulfide type grease to the threads and undersides of the bolt heads - this is required to ensure the correct clamping force is achieved, and that bolts aren't being undertorqued due to friction

- Torque in sequence:

Torquing pattern
Torquing pattern

Torque first to 20 ft-lb, then repeat the sequence to 30 ft lb, and last again at 40 ft-lb. Then torque the small bolt to 8 ft-lb.

- Go through one heat cycle - not under pressure (leave the radiator cap off). You can use distilled water for this to prevent leaks. Wait until the engine has cooled stone cold (i.e. overnight), crack each bolt loose in sequence, then repeat the entire gradual torquing sequence.

- Use OEM Honda head gaskets!
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Thank you for your reply. Very informative. Some of the things you mention in your post (for example, warming it up with no radiator cap) I've never done in the past. I will this time, though.
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I have to question this. There is no mention of re-torquing the head bolts in any Honda manual that I have.
I never do it. I never use Honda head gaskets either. I never have any problems.
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I set my bolts at the specific torque and I just left them alone...No problem yet... Few thousand miles ago....I sure enjoy this bike....
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CHECKING PRICES on head gaskets and found these on Amazon. For 2 head gaskets they are CHEAP which worries me, has anyone ever used these https://www.amazon.com/Tuzliufi-Cylinde ... B08CD14QHW These DO HAVE the measurements of the gasket in the photos, but, I have no way to compare that because I simply do not have those specifications.

Starting this project in a couple of weeks and want to have the parts on hand. I've gotten everything but the head gaskets, and by contrast Cylinder Head Gasket - Replaces OEM# 12251-MG9-306 https://www.goldwingparts.com/products/ ... d-gasket-1 this part is $43 per head gasket and I am wondering which way to go.

And Partzilla has these CYLINDER HEAD GASKET OEM?? 12251-MG9-306 $63
https://www.partzilla.com/product/honda ... KsQAvD_BwE

This is an extensive repair and I would rather be riding than doing it over come spring. Any advice ???? Appreciate it everyone. Most folks around these here parts are very helpful. Considering before jumping on cheap !! I WANT QUALITY AND CHEAP USUALLY Falls far short.
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Definitely use the OEM part if it's available! Heard of many disappointments with aftermarket head gaskets.
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WingAdmin wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:11 pm
mxyzptlk8833 wrote:Would like to hear comments in regards to tightening cylinder head bolts. Should they be re-torqued after warming the engine the first time? Or is re-torquing necessary? Do I need to buy new cylinder head bolts, like my '88 Ford 2.9L engine? (Haven't done THAT job yet). Should I wait for the engine to cool before re-torquing? Should I wait for the engine to warm and cool several times?.....Just want to get it right.
You should not need to replace the cylinder head bolts. Best practice is:

- Apply molybdenum disulfide type grease to the threads and undersides of the bolt heads - this is required to ensure the correct clamping force is achieved, and that bolts aren't being undertorqued due to friction

- Torque in sequence:

Torquing pattern.PNG

Torque first to 20 ft-lb, then repeat the sequence to 30 ft lb, and last again at 40 ft-lb. Then torque the small bolt to 8 ft-lb.

- Go through one heat cycle - not under pressure (leave the radiator cap off). You can use distilled water for this to prevent leaks. Wait until the engine has cooled stone cold (i.e. overnight), crack each bolt loose in sequence, then repeat the entire gradual torquing sequence.

- Use OEM Honda head gaskets!
Final torque setting was changed by Honda to 45ft/lbs (in 77 I think). I have a copy of the Service update somewhere.
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Old Fogey wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:25 pm
WingAdmin wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:11 pm
mxyzptlk8833 wrote:Would like to hear comments in regards to tightening cylinder head bolts. Should they be re-torqued after warming the engine the first time? Or is re-torquing necessary? Do I need to buy new cylinder head bolts, like my '88 Ford 2.9L engine? (Haven't done THAT job yet). Should I wait for the engine to cool before re-torquing? Should I wait for the engine to warm and cool several times?.....Just want to get it right.
You should not need to replace the cylinder head bolts. Best practice is:

- Apply molybdenum disulfide type grease to the threads and undersides of the bolt heads - this is required to ensure the correct clamping force is achieved, and that bolts aren't being undertorqued due to friction

- Torque in sequence:

Torquing pattern.PNG

Torque first to 20 ft-lb, then repeat the sequence to 30 ft lb, and last again at 40 ft-lb. Then torque the small bolt to 8 ft-lb.

- Go through one heat cycle - not under pressure (leave the radiator cap off). You can use distilled water for this to prevent leaks. Wait until the engine has cooled stone cold (i.e. overnight), crack each bolt loose in sequence, then repeat the entire gradual torquing sequence.

- Use OEM Honda head gaskets!
Final torque setting was changed by Honda to 45ft/lbs (in 77 I think). I have a copy of the Service update somewhere.
Indeed they did FOR THE GL1000 not the GL1100
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DenverWinger wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:08 am Definitely use the OEM part if it's available! Heard of many disappointments with aftermarket head gaskets.
Yea thanks for that lil nugget of nothingness. It would have been better had you not said a word. I have heard the same sheet as you and therefore posted a question to SOMEONE THAT HAD OTHER INFORMATION Ol Fogey. Dayum is everyone in England as smart as you ?


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