Starter chain stuck


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Starter chain stuck

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On my gl1100 I just performed an oil change tried to start it a couple of times when the starter stopped turning. Thinking I had a bad starter i bought a new one upon installing it I noticed the starter chain will not move either direction at all. I did e discover I had put too much oil in the bike. I drained the excess off. The engine turns freely in neutral.
Never had this problem before. Anyone else have any ideas on what to do here? Do I need to open it up and check out the starter clutch?
Thanks for your expertise.


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I'm having the same problem. Looking forward to reading solutions.
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OK, so you say the engine turns freely in neutral - how do you know this? Do you mean the starter turns the engine in neutral? Or are you cranking it by hand?

If you put the bike in fifth gear and turn the rear wheel, are you able to turn the engine over? (fifth gear gives you the best mechanical advantage when turning the engine over this way)

When you say the starter chain doesn't turn either way, are you basing this on attempting to turn the sprocket by hand?

Lastly, can the starter crank the engine if the plugs are removed? This removes the compression resistance, making the engine easy to turn over.
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In neutral it turns freely by hand in fifth it is mor difficult but turns. Plugs out starter won't turn it in any situation. By chain stuck I mean I removed the starter and sprocket hooked the chain with stiff wire and pulled as hard as I could in both directions it won't budge.
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jcruzan wrote:In neutral it turns freely by hand in fifth it is mor difficult but turns. Plugs out starter won't turn it in any situation. By chain stuck I mean I removed the starter and sprocket hooked the chain with stiff wire and pulled as hard as I could in both directions it won't budge.
If the sprocket is in place, and the chain is pulled out to its normal operating position, and you still can't turn it either way, then I'd say you've got something broken somewhere, and you're going to be opening the back cover up to find out what it is.
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I opened it up and found the problem quickly. One of the three screws on the back of the spraige clutch had loosened and backed out to the point where it was catching the starter chain. Easy fix. Not sure why or how it happened.
Thanks for your help.
John
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jcruzan wrote:I opened it up and found the problem quickly. One of the three screws on the back of the spraige clutch had loosened and backed out to the point where it was catching the starter chain. Easy fix. Not sure why or how it happened.
Thanks for your help.
John
Are you talking about those torx-head screws? I don't see a torque value for those in the service manual, you might want to apply some loctite to prevent it from happening again.
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Yeah those torx head screws. The other two were really tight it was just the one screw and it was just out enough to grab the chain and bind it up. I've worked on these bikes a while and never have seen that happen.
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Hey! I’m new to the gl1100 and I have what seems to be the same issue. Replace the starter, new battery, checked the solenoid and jumped straight to the starter and it won’t budge... engine turns in gear with plugs out. When you say you opened it up, do you mean you pulled the engine and opened it?
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For that issue I think we just pulled the starter and found the problem with the gears that engage the starter. JCruzan died in 2018. He was the brains with the mechanical expertise. The bike was sold with his estate.
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I'd first take the starter off and see if it runs on the bench with jumper cables.. call that a "starting" point. :lol:
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I’m sorry to hear that!
Gotcha. Than what bolt was loose? There doesn’t seem to be anything that would bind the chain visible when I remove the starter... just the chain and sprocket. I’m assuming I’m going to have to pull the motor at this point but I would love not to.
I did bench text the starter haha. I think I’ve done most all of the “starting point” stuff.
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OK. You were right. I had bench tested the old starter, but I assumed the new refurbished one worked and did not bench text it. Took it back off, bench tested with No response. Put the old one back on, and it cramks right up. That is the last time I will assume the part works. Even if it’s new ;-)


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