Shifter is not able to shift to neutral when engine is running


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Shifter is not able to shift to neutral when engine is running

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Hello all,
thank you for your time. I have not seen anyone else post on this problem. I know that on some bikes its hard to shift to neutral but I seem not to be able to shift into neutral unless I'm costing or turn my bike off any way to make it a little ezer?
Thank you for your time and thoughts.


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Re: Shifter is not able to shift to neutral when engine is running

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LowLevelFlight wrote:Hello all,
thank you for your time. I have not seen anyone else post on this problem. I know that on some bikes its hard to shift to neutral but I seem not to be able to shift into neutral unless I'm costing or turn my bike off any way to make it a little ezer?
Thank you for your time and thoughts.
Your clutch is dragging slightly. Adjust the mechanism behind the plate on the rear of the engine, according to the manual. Then adjust the cable to suit.
I have a gl1000 and this is the procedure for that. I'm not sure if it's the same for 1100's.
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thank you I will look into that and let you know what I find out.
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Also ensure that your engine is not idling too fast. This can cause this problem as well. (in conjunction with a clutch that may be just a tiny bit out of adjustment)
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If everything is adjusted correctly and you are still having trouble finding neutral it could be the "dampening clutch plate" the one in the middle of the clutch pack. Honda calls it plate B clutch I think its part number 22322-463-000. When I was having the same problem it was caused by 2 rivets (out of the 8) that hold this one clutch plate broke causing a constant drag on the clutch pack.

Good luck locating one the part is obsolete.
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Googled 22322-463-000 and found two sites on the front page that do not indicate they are out of stock. I won't personally guarantee they are available at those sites, but there is hope. Sometimes the search for older parts is hard.
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CT1100 wrote:If everything is adjusted correctly and you are still having trouble finding neutral it could be the "dampening clutch plate" the one in the middle of the clutch pack. Honda calls it plate B clutch I think its part number 22322-463-000. When I was having the same problem it was caused by 2 rivets (out of the 8) that hold this one clutch plate broke causing a constant drag on the clutch pack.

Good luck locating one the part is obsolete.
If it does turn out to be the damper plate ('B' Plate), throw it away and replace it with two plain metal ones. If you read the technical tips on Wingovations.com, a full explanation is available there. John, who runs Wingovations, is on this forum as Old Fogey and has spent many years working on and improving Goldwings..

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If it does turn out to be the damper plate ('B' Plate), throw it away and replace it with two plain metal ones. If you read the technical tips on Wingovations.com, a full explanation is available there. John, who runs Wingovations, is on this forum as Old Fogey and has spent many years working on and improving Goldwings..

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Thanks that's good information to know.
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Your clutch is dragging slightly. Adjust the mechanism behind the plate on the rear of the engine, according to the manual. Then adjust the cable to suit.
I have a gl1000 and this is the procedure for that. I'm not sure if it's the same for 1100's.
Maz

Is this the arm that comes out of the transmission and holds the clutch cable?
I have similar hard shifting issues when hot, (could be oil viscosity as this problem has been experienced after my first oil change owning the bike)
What is very noteworthy is that I hear a grinding or dragging from the transmission when I hold clutch, brake to stop, enter first gear (cue noise), and finish the stop

At any point in my coast to stop or while stopped it is very VERY rare to be able to enter neutral. When the engine is hot all shifting is painstakingly difficult
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Re: Shifter is not able to shift to neutral when engine is running

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GrandMaster69 wrote: Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:54 pm
Your clutch is dragging slightly. Adjust the mechanism behind the plate on the rear of the engine, according to the manual. Then adjust the cable to suit.
I have a gl1000 and this is the procedure for that. I'm not sure if it's the same for 1100's.
Maz

Is this the arm that comes out of the transmission and holds the clutch cable?
I have similar hard shifting issues when hot, (could be oil viscosity as this problem has been experienced after my first oil change owning the bike)
What is very noteworthy is that I hear a grinding or dragging from the transmission when I hold clutch, brake to stop, enter first gear (cue noise), and finish the stop

At any point in my coast to stop or while stopped it is very VERY rare to be able to enter neutral. When the engine is hot all shifting is painstakingly difficult
I believe, on the 1100, the adjustment is behind a small round cover on the back of the engine with a 17mm hex head in the middle. Similar procedure for adjustment , as on the 1000, but check the manuals on this site for full instructions. Basically, if there is no adjustment left at the handlebar lever, you need to slacken the cable off at the handlebar end, then take up the slack with the adjuster at the rear of the engine. This will then give you plenty of fine adjustment at the handlebar end adjuster.
Maz


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