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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:29 am



Thanks for realy, Maz. Luckily I have a donor carb assembly on the way. Hoping floats there are untouched...😊



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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Maz » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:07 am

Here's the link to the relevant page on Randakks site.http://www.randakksblog.com/floats-101/
As it states, this is for the GL1000 but essentially, the GL1100 only differs by having a 15.5mm float height, instead of 21mm for the GL1000. If you scroll down the page, you'll see floats in a MUCH worse state than yours!

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:27 am

Finished the 1 and 3 assembly. But one o-ring leftover. I have gone thru every possibility but cant find a place for it. There was one ekstra in the float bowl. One in air shuttoff valve. Am i missing one? Anybody?

The small one
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Maz » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:56 am

Here's the list of 'O' rings in Randakks kit. If you read the bottom line, this may be the one you have left over.
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4 - Fuel (idle) mixture screw (2.8 x 1.1 mm)
4 - Float bowl drain screw (4.8 x 1.9 mm)
4 - Large carb-to-plenum (air) O-ring (53.1 x 2.0 mm)
4 - Intake manifold (40.0 x 2.6 mm)
4 - CV Slide Top Limit Plug (6.9 x 1.3 mm)
4 - Accelerator Pump Fuel Circuit Cross Tube - (2.8 x 1.3 mm)
4 - Main Fuel Circuit Cross Tube - (5.8 x 2.0 mm)
2 - Main Fuel Inlet Hose Barb (5.8 x 2.0 mm)
1 - Carb #3 accelerator pump passage at float bowl (5.0 x 1.3 mm) This is a "spare"...the accelerator pump kit also contains this O-ring
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:14 pm

The mystery o ring are hopefully a spare. Finished putting the pairs back together. Nr. 4 was pretty quick assembled after practicing on the other 3. Good feeling! Next is joining the halves and hook everything up.







Mystery o ring to the right/top
Mystery o ring to the right/top


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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:20 pm

Can it be for the accelerator pump this o ring?. It fits below the diaphragm. And there is a ring in the picture from the manual. What to do?













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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Maz » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:37 am

Cosmobiker,
See my previous reply listing all of the 'O'rings and sizes. This will help you identify it.
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:28 pm

Yes, I got that in mind. But whats been bothering me is that I dont remember where it came from. Did I empty the bag with o ring from Randakk in my container or did it come from the carb. I got my donor carbs today and will check out nr.3 on that one.
From what ive read Im thinking better check my fuel pump before it sends contamination into the clean carbs. :)

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:48 pm

Ok. After a severe case of manflu, Im now back on my feet.😊
Thinking everything is in right place on carbs.
Got my donor carbs and the floats were fine. So my original set is now almost read for testing.
Of course 30cm of snow overnight.
Got a new used seat also that seemes to give me more space.









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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:20 pm

Carbs are now completely reasembled. When I got the bike I noticed that it started to drip from the gas pump. Between the head and the pump. Mix of oil and gas it seemed. Took the pump off now. Looks like gas inside the lowest housing. Is this possible? Can gas leak thru the pump and into the engine? The diaphragm looked cracked and very stiff when I streched it.





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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by DenverWinger » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:22 am

Yes, you can get a pinhole or crack in the pump diaphragm and it will pump fuel into the carburetors and also the crankcase.
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:55 am

Ok,Thanks. I have ordered a new one.

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:39 pm

Took of belt covers, pulled plugg and took of rocker covers. There are gas in the engine at last around the gas pump. Should I Just drain the rest of the oil so its not sitting long in engine? The timing marks were corect. Next is checking walve clearanse. I can see that my waterpump ha red plastic impeller. Think I read that this was not something to hold on to. I ned to rebuild this to sine it started to drip from the weep hole. And then I might as well change the whole pump to. At lest I will get a reliable bike with rebuild carbs, New fuelpump, New waterpump and new belts


. I have also new plugs, wire and caps.









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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by DenverWinger » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:40 am

Gas in the oil won't hurt anything while you are still working on the bike, it might even dissolve some gunk out of the crankcase while it is in there.

But before you are ready to put the wing on the road for a drive I would drain and replace the oil with some really cheap oil, drive a short distance, maybe 30 mi (50KMs) or so and drain/refill the oil again, this time with good quality oil.

Reason for this is there's about a litre of oil in the back of the engine that doesn't drain out when you remove the oil drain plug. I found this out the hard way after removing the engine to replace a burnt-out stator. When I removed the rear clutch/stator cover from the engine I was rewarded with a very nice flood of oil on the garage floor......
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:42 am

I will do that. Get the gunk out! :) Do you agree that new waterpump is on Santas list for christmas this year?
Im loving this prosess of getting to know the bike. :)

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by DenverWinger » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:04 am

Water pump is kinda "spendy", especially if shipping one across the big pond. They don't fail very often, either. Check the bearings for slop, and if it feels reasonably good I'd just put her back together with the pump you have, and watch for:

1) drip of either oil or coolant from the water pump weep hole.
2) open radiator cap once in a while to see if oil floating to top of radiator.
3) evidence of coolant getting into oil.
4) overheating for no apparent reason.

You might be surprised to find the pump is OK. Not that much dis-assembly to replace it if bad.
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:05 am

It started to drip already. It will cost me about the same as the fuelpump from ebay. Jave to se if i can combine gasket kit with pump in one shipment.

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:52 am

Found out today that I have messed up with ordering new belts. T275. Not T276. So now I have a set for gl1500....
checked my rollers and one of them can be wigled. So I will attempt the rebuild with aftermarket rollers/tensioners.

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Tue May 22, 2018 7:03 pm

Ok. Bike is running again. Changed belts, new tensioner wheels, diy style. New gaspump and waterpump. Adjusted valves. Syncronised carbs. Easy to start. Strong bike. But then it starts to act up again. Pull plug wire on nr. 1. No reaction. Resynced the carbs. Got it running smooth again. Took it for a spin. Started to nudge and not running nice at all. Back to carbs and dismantle again?

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by DenverWinger » Wed May 23, 2018 7:18 am

Hm, If you got the carbs nice, had it running nice and then suddenly not nice, possible some leftover particle of something blocked a passage in a carb. But I think you do better work than that, find an extra sparkplug and attach it to the #1 plug wire and start the bike. See if you have any sparks snapping around on the with the plug grounded. Lift the plug wire with the extra plug and see how far you can get a spark to snap. Should be able to jump at least a cm. If not, suspect weak or intermittent coil, sparkplug caps or wires. You might try running it in the dark and look for blue flashes jumping around where they shouldn't.
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Wed May 23, 2018 10:19 am

The exhaust is smelly. The plugs are black. The upside is that the cylinders now are hot. When i pull the caps off i can hear the sparks jumping to the plug. Im suspecting that it has a bad float needle because it ran nice , was left on the side stand for one hour and wouldnt start. After that it was rough idling. I belived it was a flat battery. But thst was fully charged. Got it stsrted again roling down a hill. Hydrolocked?

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by DenverWinger » Wed May 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Well, if the engine turned over and started it wasn't hydrolocked. Sounds like "back to the carburetors".....
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Wed May 23, 2018 4:56 pm

When the symptoms are present, i can take the cap of no.1 syl without any difference. Thinking maybe swap the carb body with a donor i got and see if that does the trick. But all plugs were black. Airmix were set at factory setting. Maybe i should give it more air?

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Thu May 24, 2018 12:17 pm

I started it up and the cyl. Nr. 1 is cold. Can the gas suply be clogged somewhere? I have spark. Tried to pull the caps in the dark. The spark is jumping from the cap to the engine.

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Re: Fouling plugs

Post by Cosmobiker » Thu May 24, 2018 2:30 pm

Nr.1 plug was defect. Put in an old plug and it was ok. Checked synk and it was ok. After 10 mins of idling it started to run rough again. The plugs are black and soted. Mix screw set on 1 and 1/4 turn out. Is this the key to leaner the mix?



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