Starting problem


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Starting problem

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On my 1983 GL1100i , several weeks ago I turned the ignition switch on and pushed the starter button and I heard a noticeable click/pop and all the lights went out and starter didn't turn. Later attempts resulted in nothing. I've removed ignition switch and tested it and circuits check OK. Installed new starer solenoid switch, cleaned the contacts on the starter button and kill switch last week. Tested voltage at battery side of starter solenoid switch and checks 12.5V but after turning on ignition, drops to 2V and slowly climbs to about 7V. Upon activating start button, no change to voltage. Turning ignition off results with voltage climbing back to 12.5V. I'm still suspecting the ignition switch is shorting out, since it's the original switch. I didn't remove the contacts after reading possible poor results after reassembling. Do you recommend installing new switch? Is Emgo comparable to OEM? Or are there other reliable brands of ignitions? I do have a new Ricks starter to replace my old aftermarket starter with Honda brushes. Pushing the start button does not activate the solenoid. 30A fuse checks good.


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Re: Starting problem

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Check battery connections and terminals (disconnect and clean), corrosion is not unusual there and often results in just exactly what you are describing.

If those are clean, it is most likely a failed battery. Your local Auto parts store can load-test it.
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Re: Starting problem

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I just cleaned the main ground and negative battery terminal yesterday. I've been cleaning several plastic connectors lately. 15 month old Bike Bandit TruGel MG18L-BS battery on charger, now. I've had good luck with TruGels in the past but my next one will probably be an AMG. Also when I was testing the lights, the turn signals flashed about twice normal speed. Is that due to low voltage or bad flasher unit? Will clean positive battery terminal tomorrow and retest.
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I cleaned the positive battery terminal and the 4- prong connector to the solenoid and probed the solid red wire to the solenoid and got 12.6V, but when I turned on the ignition, the voltage dropped to around 6V. Starter button caused the instrument panel lights to dim but didn't change the voltage or click or activate the starter. Same thing happened when I probed the red/white wire to the solenoid. The solenoid is a new Honda OEM unit. I checked the voltage at the headlight with ignition on and got 6.5V and while pushing start button, zero. So I know the start button should be functional, as I did clean it thoroughly. Now I can't get any lights to work but battery still checks 12.6V. Think I'll order a new ignition switch. Wiggling the ignition wires didn't change the lights.
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Connect your meter directly to the battery terminals and try it, if the voltage drops there the battery is bad. Why would you think the ignition switch is the problem? The voltage is obviously dropping off before the switch.
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When you measure the "battery"..use your meter connected to the frame and the solenoid post..turn on the key and push the start button.Does it still read 12 volts?
A common missed fail point is the battery ground lug at the frame...Looks tight and good but often corroded.
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Now, when I turn the key on the lights come on. With ignition off, voltmeter on main ground and battery post of solenoid, I get 12.6V. When I turn on ignition, it drops to 6V and pushing start button doesn't change the voltage, but does dim the lights a little.
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Larrdc wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:54 pm Now, when I turn the key on the lights come on. With ignition off, voltmeter on main ground and battery post of solenoid, I get 12.6V. When I turn on ignition, it drops to 6V and pushing start button doesn't change the voltage, but does dim the lights a little.
Simply move your ground probe to the - battery terminal and check again. If the voltage holds put your ground probe on the engine, on a clean shiny bolt head, put the + probe on the - battery terminal, turn the switch on, if you read voltage there the ground is bad. I really think it's your battery.
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With + probe on + solenoid post and - probe on - battery post I get 12.8V. With ignition on, I get 7V. With - probe on engine and + probe on - battery post, no volts; with ignition on, no voltage.
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Larrdc wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:24 pm With + probe on + solenoid post and - probe on - battery post I get 12.8V. With ignition on, I get 7V. With - probe on engine and + probe on - battery post, no volts; with ignition on, no voltage.
Obviously your battery is shot.
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Re: Starting problem

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I've had my 10A charger on the TruGel for 8 hrs now and it says it's still charging but not fully charged. So I guess I'll take it to O'Reilys tomorrow and have them load test it.
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Did you know you have a 24 month guarantee, so after you get it checked you can notify Bike Bandit and maybe make a deal as they say. I read all this from tru-gel website. Also ,charging rate max on that battery is 6 amps (interesting) when most of the rest of there battery's are at 2 to 3 amps. Supposed to be a full charge in 10 hours from discharge. Keep us tuned in.
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Re: Starting problem

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Today I took the 16 month TruGel and a 5y/o Power Source AGM to O'Rielys Auto for load testing. Sure enough, the TruGel failed but the AGM passed. So I connected the AGM to the GL1100i and measured 12.8V on battery, turned ignition and only dropped a few tenths so I pushed the starter button and the starter actually turned over and engine briefly ran so I turned it off. I was so tired of troubleshooting. Now to bolt the ignition and inst. panel in place and hopefully ride it Sunday. Also need to check with BikeBandit to see if they'll give me an adjustment toward a new AGM battery for my 79CX500D. Thanks to you GW Docs for the savvy advice.


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