VIN #'s do not match. Engine and frame.


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VIN #'s do not match. Engine and frame.

Post by jeremysmith035 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:01 pm



The VIN numbers on my frame and engine do not match. :o
I bought a reconstructed GL-1100.
The frame seems replaced and the engine seems original.
I noticed this when I was checking my VIN with Honda, so I could order parts. They said my frame VIN-# was invalid. I had a similar issue when getting motorcycle insurance (after calling 6 insurance companies finally I got insured).
I was able to register it at the DMV using the title for the frame without an issue (they didn't notice or just didn't ask about it).
How will this effect me reselling it?
Will the next buyer have issues at the DMV when registering it?

1983 GL-1100 Interstate
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Re: VIN #'s do not match. Engine and frame.

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:35 pm

Your VIN plate and FRAME numbers appear to me to have the same sequence of ending numbers - not sure how that translates. I would not expect a bike to have the same frame/vin and ENGINE numbers - unless it was an historic or old vintage bike,, where some of those coming off production lines were able to be matched with the same numbered components

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Re: VIN #'s do not match. Engine and frame.

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:02 pm

The frame should match the VIN, and in your case it does, so you're good there.

Your clueless Honda dealer, DMV and insurance agents were all saying your VIN was invalid because it doesn't match the 17 digit VIN format used today. That's how Honda did things back then. Your VIN is in the correct format for the model year bike you have.

The engine serial numbers do not (and were never intended to) match the VIN. Honda shipped the bikes from the factory with the engines having their own unique serial numbers. Over the years owners have been able to work out which ranges of engine serial numbers *should* match which VIN numbers, but it's not exact, because it's basically people sending in their numbers to figure it out. For instance, my 1982 GL1100 VIN started with 1HFSC0211, but this chart has 1983's starting with 1HFSC020X - so clearly they were up above at least 211 before they switched to the 1983 model year.

In terms of numbers, your engine is the appropriate model year for your bike, and may well be the original engine.

Here's what I've seen posted:

1975 K0 The frame serial number began GL1-1000012 while the engine serial number began GL1E-1000001.

1976 The frame serial number began GL1-2001483 while the engine serial number began GL1E-2001422.

1976 LTD The frame serial number began GL1-2035001 while the engine serial number began GL1E-2033474

1977 The frame serial number began GL1-3000001 while the engine serial number began GL1E-3000006

1978 The frame serial number began GL1-4000001 while the engine serial number began GL1E-4000001

1979 The frame serial number began GL1-4100001 while the engine serial number began GL1E-4100001

1980 The frame serial number began SC02-2000040 and the engine serial number began SC02E-2000047.

1981 The frame serial number began with the new style used throughout the motorcycle industry and common to the automotive industry: 1HFSC0207BA100001 and the engine serial number began SC02E-2100002.

1982 The frame serial number began with 1HFSC0205CA200101 and the engine serial number began SC02E-2200028.

1983 The frame serial number began with 1HFSC020XDA300101 and the engine serial number began SC02E-2300012.

1984 # The frame serial number in California began 1HFSC1431EA000001 while in the rest of the U.S. it began 1HFSC1401EA000001.

1988 The frame serial number (i.e., VIN) for Japanese made Wings for California began: JH2SC2217JM000001 and for the rest of the U.S. began: JH2SC2208JM000001. The frame serial number (i.e., VIN) for American made Wings for California began: 1HFSC2217JA000001 and for the rest of the U.S. began: 1HFSC2208JA000001. The engine numbers whether made for California or the rest of the U.S. (all made in Japan) began: SC22E- 2000101. # The engine serial number (for both California and the rest of the U.S.) began: SC14E-2400107.

1989 The VIN number for California began: 1HFSC220*KA100001 while the rest of the U.S. models began: 1HFSC221*KA100001. (The * is a control checksum number). The engine numbers began SC22E- 2100101.

1990 The VIN number for California began: 1HFSC220*LA200001 while the rest of the U.S. models began: 1HFSC221*LA200001. (The * is a control checksum number). The engine numbers began SC22E-2200101.

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Re: VIN #'s do not match. Engine and frame.

Post by CT1100 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:38 pm

I would say your VIN is within spec comparing my 83 Interstate along with the information that WingAdmin provided.

My frame is 1HFSC0212DAxxxxxx and engine SC02E-231xxxx

I'm the original owner so I know the numbers go together.

Hope it helps,

Chris



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