Gold Wing sat too long


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Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:36 pm



Hey all, it's been awhile.

I haven't ridden in over a year, my bike's been garaged but not winterized because I've periodically started it and run some Sea Foam through with some fresh gas.

I tried to start it today and the starter barely had a chance to start spinning when all power went dead. Any thoughts on where I can start tracking this problem down? Seems like it could be fuse related.

Another anomaly that I noticed was my rear brake seems like it's seized. I can turn the rear wheel but with great difficulty. I can probably figure this one out myself but I can't imagine why when I start it last time it spun free and now it's locked up. Weird! Any opinions are welcome on this as well.

MJ



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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:28 pm

did you keep it on a Battery Tender?

if not, you should make that a priority...
all batteries, will loose some capacity due to internal leakage.

and the cold winter months are the worst for that problem.

Put a voltmeter on the Battery terminals and make sure it is not dropping in voltage to a point the start relay will not stay energized. It should hold at least 11.5 volts at the battery terminals.... if lower than that, it need to be topped off.
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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by johnWK » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:56 am

Check your connections. Check battery voltage, grounding, and start tracing the voltage to your starter motor. Your issue sounds awfully similar to what I was experiencing last fall. One day it just died out of seemingly nowhere, the engine wouldn't turn over with the starter button (the solenoid would make a loud CLICK) and the back wheel wouldn't spin. It turned out to be a bad starter motor. Put a new one on and instantly my problem was solved.

But before you go and spend that money, or take it off for a clean/refurb, get out your volt meter and start checking your battery/connections.
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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:23 am

Should've mentioned that.

The battery is fully charged, 12.4 volts with solid connections. It's outside the battery, for sure. I have no power anywhere. I'll start checking fuses when I have some time. Just looking for that one obvious answer that I might not be thinking about.

As for the wheel not spinning, it definitely feels like the brake has clamped down on the rotor. I can turn the wheel. but with great difficulty.

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by newday777 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:55 am

Pull your spark plugs. Put rags over the plug holes to keep the spary from shooting out. Kill switch in off position. Crank over to expell the gas(petcock left in on/reserve position) or antifreeze in your cylinders.
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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:35 am

I have NO power. I don't know if there is a hydro lock issue until I can get power and at least try to crank it.

What happened is that when I tried to start it, it clicked right after hitting the start button and all power was lost.

I'm going to check the 30A fuse tonight to see if that's what gave way. Might also try to jumper the starter to see if I can make it spin.

Any thoughts on this are surely appreciated.

MJ

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:25 pm

aznyaz wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:36 pm
Hey all, it's been awhile.

I haven't ridden in over a year, my bike's been garaged but not winterized because I've periodically started it and run some Sea Foam through with some fresh gas.

I tried to start it today and the starter barely had a chance to start spinning when all power went dead. Any thoughts on where I can start tracking this problem down? Seems like it could be fuse related.

Another anomaly that I noticed was my rear brake seems like it's seized. I can turn the rear wheel but with great difficulty. I can probably figure this one out myself but I can't imagine why when I start it last time it spun free and now it's locked up. Weird! Any opinions are welcome on this as well.

MJ
From the How to winterize your motorcycle article:
Please, please, PLEASE resist the temptation to "start it up to keep the oil fresh" or whatever other reason you feel you need to regularly run the engine. Your engine does not benefit in any way from being started from dead cold for a short "warm-up." In fact, it's quite the opposite. Starting the engine puts lots of moisture into both the crankcase and the exhaust. If you are not going to go out for a good, hard half hour ride, neither the engine nor the exhaust are going to get up to full normal operating temperature - which means this moisture is not going to evaporate. Instead, it's going to sit in the bike and start corroding the insides of your engine, cylinders and exhaust system. Every time you start it, it is making it worse. The fact that it is cold outside makes it even worse - this means the moisture easily condenses on the cold surfaces, starting the rusting process.

"But I need to start it regularly to charge the battery." No you don't, hook up a $25 Battery Tender instead of ruining your $500 exhaust.

"It helps keep the seals lubricated and stops leaks." No, it doesn't. The seals do not magically lose their ability to seal because oil isn't regularly flowing over them. In fact, the continuous change of a very cold-soaked engine to warm engine and back can actually CAUSE leaks.

"It keeps the engine parts covered in oil to prevent wear." Actually, it does the exact opposite. The absolute hardest time on an engine, the time when it wears the most, is at start-up, before the engine-driven oil pumps get a chance to start pumping oil around. This is why some expensive aircraft and racing engines have special pumps to circulate oil before the engines are started. When the bike hasn't been started for a while, the lubricating film of oil is at its very minimum - which means massive amount of wear during start up. And this is what you are doing, over and over again all winter every time you start it up - causing wear to your engine when it is at its most vulnerable.

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by DenverWinger » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:59 am

+1 on the winterizing if the bike is going to sit a while.

As to the no power situation, first thing I'd check if it "Clicked" and then went totally dead would be the battery terminal connections, they can corrode over time and the power will behave just as you describe....
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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:31 pm

Well, I appreciate to little lesson on what not to do. I will take this to heart which will be whenever I can figure out how to get power back.

I'm looking for advice on where I can look for potential problems. The battery connections are just fine, no corrosion, and I actually disconnected and reconnected the battery terminals. The battery is fully charged. The 30A dog bone fuse is intact. Is there a relay or inline fuse somewhere that can be checked? Is it possibly the ignition switch?

Looking for some advice.

MJ

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by newday777 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:58 pm

Yes it could be ignition switch, especially if someone had a bunch of keys on a key ring in the switch. The keys or any weight on the key ring bounces and loosens the contacts in the switch. Have you tried wiggling the key, tried spraying contact cleaner in the switch(disconnect the neg battery terminal) and work the switch back and forth, swray with compressed air, repete. Let dry 10 minutes before hooking back up

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:19 am

I will check it out. Thanks!

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Fri May 31, 2019 7:30 am

OK, it's been several months and I'm frustrated as to what to check without taking everything apart.

Is there a way to check the ignition without removing it entirely? Whether removed or not, how would I check the ignition switch to see if it's operational?

Could the "no power" situation be attributed to something else blowing somewhere? All fuses are good as well as the dog bone.

Is there a way I could "jumper" the starter to see if it spins? Is the starter solenoid possibly at fault? Where is it?

Like I've said earlier, I have absolutely no power when turning the key. I have limited electrical knowledge and usually have to be walked through anything like this.

Big thanks in advance for any info!

MJ

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by newday777 » Fri May 31, 2019 7:58 am

aznyaz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:19 am
I will check it out. Thanks!
What did you actually check out???

Unfortunately, you will have to take apart much and have knowledge of testing wiring, along with tools to test your electrical system.
A 12 volt test light is your best tool in this case. This will tell you if you have power in the wires. You'll need a color coded wire diagram for your bike(you have not mentioned what you are working on)

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Fri May 31, 2019 8:23 am

I figured I would probably have to remove the handlebars and such in that area to check the ignition switch. I've got a test light and multi meter and probably access to color coded schematics in the Clymer and Honda manuals.

Any thoughts on the other questions?

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by aznyaz » Fri May 31, 2019 8:26 am

Thanks, also, for the video. I don't have the know-how on checking these things. It's a good start!

MJ

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by newday777 » Fri May 31, 2019 9:55 am

Start with testing the wires to the ign switch for power when off and when key is on.
Yes you can test the solenoid. But if the lights don't come on with the key switch you have to start there.

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Re: Gold Wing sat too long

Post by oldie61 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:09 am

If you have no neutral light or instrument panels lights, I'd suspect either a fuse someplace or bad connections. Even though bsttery connections appear clean and ok clean them agsin as well as battery cable attaching to starter.



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