A **** way to start the season.


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A **** way to start the season.

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Hi Winthers
About 18 months ago I changed my head gaskets do to leaky valves. I've had some issies lately, but in All a well driving gl1100. About a week ago, IT was time for maintainence.
As I start it Up, it smokes like a lokomotive and reaks og oil and coolant.
I pull the plugs, and find coolant in the cylinder and oil in the expansion resovoir.
Today I puller off the headset, and as expected the head gasket was blown.
By closer inspection it seams that the gasket does not line Up properly. Have you ever seen this before ?
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That sucks. Sorry I can't be of help with it.
Good luck fixing it.
But you aren't the only one whose day sucks.
We had the first group ride of the season
scheduled for this morning with
seven guys ready to ride. Before they even reached
the meeting spot, two of them ran into each other!
Nothing serious. No injuries, just a few bent parts.
But it ruined their day and they went home.
So it ended up just being five of us.
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OEM gasket?
Looks like it is a one size fits all overbores aftermarket part.

Check block and head for flatness. Did you re-torque the head bolts after it was warmed up?
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offcenter wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 10:00 pm That sucks. Sorry I can't be of help with it.
Good luck fixing it.
But you aren't the only one whose day sucks.
We had the first group ride of the season
scheduled for this morning with
seven guys ready to ride. Before they even reached
the meeting spot, two of them ran into each other!
Nothing serious. No injuries, just a few bent parts.
But it ruined their day and they went home.
So it ended up just being five of us.
That sucks, but im glad nobody hot hurt
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Rambozo wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 10:13 pm OEM gasket?
Looks like it is a one size fits all overbores aftermarket part.

Check block and head for flatness. Did you re-torque the head bolts after it was warmed up?
IT should be OEM, but im not intirely sure. The gasket was recomented to me.
I googlede the gasket Company, and their loose headgaskets fits both 1100 and 1200.

I didn't retorque. I followed the instructions in my clymer, and I didn't find anything about retorqueing
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Rambozo wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 10:13 pm
Check block and head for flatness.
Im pretty sure their flat, 18 months ago, they were changed do to leaky valves. And it gas ny run warm. I could the problem before that happend
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That's half a millimeter of the difference. Probably just the way it's made. You might want to try the genuine Honda gasket if you can.
While not required, it's never a bad idea to re-torque heads, especially if both mating surfaces were not machined perfectly true.
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How do I retorque. Is it after Riding or is it sufficient to hest the engine to normal driving temperature
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J Runge wrote: Sun May 12, 2019 10:57 am How do I retorque. Is it after Riding or is it sufficient to hest the engine to normal driving temperature
Put 100 easy miles on it. Don't push it too hard. Then do a retorque.
1 bolt at a time, in the sequence, loosen the bolt then retorque. Then do the next bolt.
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If you haven't done the new gaskets yet, get an 8x11 sheet of 1/4" glass and contact cement a sheet of 400 grit wet dry heavy sheet sand paper, get a glass cup handle to suction to the back side of the glass. Use this to flatten the head and case surfaces. (You have to carefully remove the locating dowels or get new dowels if rusted in and you destroy them.)
Use a sharpie on the surface to make sure when you sand, all the sharpie gets sanded off the whole surface. Then its flat. Take your time and use a figure 8 sanding pattern.

Harbor freight has a glass cup handle that works.
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newday777 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:03 am If you haven't done the new gaskets yet, get an 8x11 sheet of 1/4" glass and contact cement a sheet of 400 grit wet dry heavy sheet sand paper, get a glass cup handle to suction to the back side of the glass. Use this to flatten the head and case surfaces. (You have to carefully remove the locating dowels or get new dowels if rusted in and you destroy them.)
Use a sharpie on the surface to make sure when you sand, all the sharpie gets sanded off the whole surface. Then its flat. Take your time and use a figure 8 sanding pattern.

Harbor freight has a glass cup handle that works.
I Will do something like that
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newday777 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:49 am
J Runge wrote: Sun May 12, 2019 10:57 am How do I retorque. Is it after Riding or is it sufficient to hest the engine to normal driving temperature
Put 100 easy miles on it. Don't push it too hard. Then do a retorque.
1 bolt at a time, in the sequence, loosen the bolt then retorque. Then do the next bolt.
probably at dumb question, but a 100 miles, is that about 3/4 of a tankfull. We have metric system here in Denmark
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Yes 3/4 tank should do it. Just to fully heat the motor.
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Work in progress. Taking it slow, to be safe
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Keep on sanding.....
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newday777 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:38 am Keep on sanding.....
I will, and I am
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J Runge wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:48 am
newday777 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:38 am Keep on sanding.....
I will, and I am
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Allmost there, but out og sandpaper. I underestimateted how much I needed
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I have just guaged out the block, after a lot of sanding. Still some way to go. Metric gauge 0.005 (about 0.0002 inch) will not go under the straigth edge. I figure that i´m nearly there. Light will still go under the straight edge, but only just.
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Now im allmost there, i believe that one more sheet will do the trick
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Nice. Doing well.....
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That's looking real purty! :D

I noticed you've packed the water jackets and cylinders to keep the sanding grit out. I hope you've been doing the same for the oil pressure passage (small hole below the top center bolt hole) and the oil return (large opening below the cylinders) and simply removed the packing for the photos.

If not, the oil pressure passage will be easy enough to clean, but we will have to figure how to flush the sanding grit from the oil sump....
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DenverWinger wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:56 am That's looking real purty! :D

I noticed you've packed the water jackets and cylinders to keep the sanding grit out. I hope you've been doing the same for the oil pressure passage (small hole below the top center bolt hole) and the oil return (large opening below the cylinders) and simply removed the packing for the photos.

If not, the oil pressure passage will be easy enough to clean, but we will have to figure how to flush the sanding grit from the oil sump....
My intention is to flush it. IT lookes murky (Spelling?) In the passage. And I seems easier to clean, than the cylinders and jackets.
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Finally ready for the first gasket, but they forgot to send the dowels. So i can not start assembly just jet
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The other side got done today. I really Hope this hard Work, and OEM gasket does the job.
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