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I have a 82 wing gl1100i the front wheel is locked up i took off the brake calibers and wheel is fine. I cleaned up the calipers and bleed the brakes the wheel spins now but very slow still locked up a bit. But if i turn the wheel to the left its 100 percent locked up makes no sence to me. I checked for kinks in the lines and no kinks or leaks. Front brake is hard to pull. What is makeing it lock up when i turn the wheel to the left?


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Clean out the very small fluid return hole in the master cylinder.
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I did and it did not change anything
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The bottom of the fork tubes--Are both arrows facing forward? The piece that holds the axle in place.
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Yes i also bleed the brakes again no change
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What makes it lock up when you turn is most likely changing the volume of the break lines. However, the excess fluid should be free to return to the master through the hole I mentioned before. As long as the piston in the master is in the right place, that hole should be uncovered. You can test this by prying the pads open at the caliper. The fluid should return to the master and the pads open up. If they don't move, you have a problem.
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When i took the pistons out there was a ton of fluid there once the brake is released the fluid should go away right?
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If you mean the pistons in the caliper, no, there will be fluid behind them at all times. The change in fluid volume between brakes released and brakes applied is very small, like on the order of a few drops. Most brake issues can be identified by visual inspection. It is a very simple hydraulic system. Everything needs to be spotlessly clean and no rust or corrosion. Seals have to be soft and no cuts or nicks in the edges. If you don't understand the brakes, it might be best to have them done at a shop. Having your front wheel lock up at 70 MPH or finding you have no brakes when a truck cuts you off is no fun. And the school of hard knocks is not the place for brake training.
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I can try taking them apart and cleaning them again or maybe i did not get the small pin hole clean enough. I can try again and if no luck i can take to a shop.
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I took apart the master cylinder it had a bunch of nasty stuff on it. I cleaned the piston with a wire brush and and cleaned the hole where the piston goes i clean the insides of it really good and did the small hole and then i bleed the brakes wheel no longer locks up. But i still think it does not spin as free as it should. So i cleaned both calibers took out the pistons and clean the sludge off of them bleed brakes again and it works better but i still think its not right. Maybe need to replace the lines?
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IMO, I would change out the rubber brake lines. These lines are "double walled". theres the inside section that you don't see and the outside section which you DO see. Sometimes the inner wall can collapse and that results in the fluid not going back into the master and the caliper piston doesn't retract back into the caliper housing, OR, it could be a simple caliper hardware problem. remove the caliper slide pins and the anti squeal shims, take some very fine emery cloth or fine steel wool and clean them down, put some caliper slide pin lube, which you can get at any auto parts store, put some anti squeal paste on the backsides of the pads, also from the parts store and reassemble everything and see what happens. I would do that first before spending the money on new brake hoses.

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I did this to the brake calipers and it did help the wheel just does not spin as easy as i think it should. But after cleaning the master cylinder the wheel no longer locks up when i turn the handbars.
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38wing wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:49 pm I did this to the brake calipers and it did help the wheel just does not spin as easy as i think it should. But after cleaning the master cylinder the wheel no longer locks up when i turn the handbars.
Is it possible that the wheel bearings are adjusted to tightly?

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I have no idea i did not know they could be adjusted?
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38wing wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:20 pm I have no idea i did not know they could be adjusted?
When you go to put the wheel onto the forks and attach the bottom axle holders, the nuts have to be flush up with the outside of the fork tubes and the lower axle holders. If they are even slightly inside of the fork tubes and holders, the wheel might not spin free enough.

If you want to check me on that, ask Wingadmin. He should know a little more about it than I do. I know theres a "how-to" on tightening the front wheel, but im not sure where it is. If you have a repair manual or an owners manual, that should tell and show you exactly how to tighten the front wheel. I think it would come under "how to adjust your front wheel bearings" or "removing and replacing your front wheel". It's been so long since i've done it, (about 5 years), I can't remember lol.

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I have a book i well try it.
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thats great. Look in both sections that I mentioned and see what it tells you.

Hope that this will solve your problem.

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The easiest way to tell would be to remove the front calipers. If it turns freely, then it's in the brakes. Otherwise, it's in the bearings.
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Well went out to the bike and front wheel locked up again when the handbars turn to the left so took off brake caliper and wheel spins like it should i am having new hoses made now. If they dont fix it then i well rebuild caliber again.
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I had new brake hose made and now I can not get them to bleed for the life of me. the front brake lever well not build up presser and very little fluid comes out of the bleeder valve any ideas on how to fix this?
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You probably need to clean the M/C again.

You will get it. After riding for 200 miles, you will forget all about this learning experience.

A trick that is used is to lock the brake handle to stopping position, open all night. The little bubbles will rise to the top.
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Getting fluid to go through a brand new empty hose can be tricky from the surface tension. Open both ends of the hose and fill it up with a squeeze bottle. Then try to bleed it again. Vacuum or pressure bleeders are also good at that.
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okay brakes are now bleed I had to pump the brake and open the banjo bolt a few times before I could get it to build presser. but same issue now that they have all the air out of them the front wheel does not spin like it should I feel way to much resistance. I am about to give it up I have put on new brake hoses new fluid took apart both brake calipers and master cylinder and cleaned them. if anyone is in the apache junction AZ area and wants to recommend a shop I would go there and try it out.if I take off the brake calipers the wheel spins fine
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38wing wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:23 pm okay brakes are now bleed I had to pump the brake and open the banjo bolt a few times before I could get it to build presser. but same issue now that they have all the air out of them the front wheel does not spin like it should I feel way to much resistance. I am about to give it up I have put on new brake hoses new fluid took apart both brake calipers and master cylinder and cleaned them. if anyone is in the apache junction AZ area and wants to recommend a shop I would go there and try it out.if I take off the brake calipers the wheel spins fine
You mention cleaning the calipers, but did you replace the rubbers? The main rubber seal around the piston hardens with age and, whilst it may still seal ok, it may not be soft enough to give the minute amount of 'spring' required to help retract the piston to relieve the pad pressure on the disc (rotor) after you release the lever.
Just a thought.

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If you could wait until next weekend, (not this weekend) I would be happy to drive up from Tucson and see if theres anything I could do to help you with it. Your really not that far from me.

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