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wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:11 pm



I just had a Honda dealer install a new Bridgstone "SPITFIRE" tire on my 1980 GL1100 front wheel. After getting home, I of course noticed that the tire's rotation was installed wrong as in opposite rotation....The dealer is 2 hrs away .....can I just flip the wheel around (so that the tire rotation is correct) and swap the bearing/retainers/speedo drive fittings to allow reinstall to correct the problem? I hate to return this to the dealer so far away and I admit I did not make a point of indicating wheel/tire rotation to the shop.... ????



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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:39 pm

tigercub wrote:
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I just had a Honda dealer install a new Bridgstone "SPITFIRE" tire on my 1980 GL1100 front wheel. After getting home, I of course noticed that the tire's rotation was installed wrong as in opposite rotation....The dealer is 2 hrs away .....can I just flip the wheel around (so that the tire rotation is correct) and swap the bearing/retainers/speedo drive fittings to allow reinstall to correct the problem? I hate to return this to the dealer so far away and I admit I did not make a point of indicating wheel/tire rotation to the shop.... ????
Unfortunately, not. The wheel is different. It's not your mistake however - any competent shop should always check for directional tires before mounting. Or they should have asked to make sure.

That said, sometimes it's just a mistake. I've done it, and didn't even notice it until I had the wheel completely buttoned up and back on the bike, spun it, and saw the arrow going the wrong way. Doh!!!

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:58 pm

Thank you for your reply :( I don't doubt your opinion, but just to clarify........so there is a right and a left side of the wheel so even if I pull the bearings and retainers etc and swap them? no go? Because the hub certainly looks the same.... :D

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:46 pm

I would pretty much, at this point, would just ignore it and be happy.

a lot of 1500s and 1800s have "rear tires" mounted backwards on the front wheel.

My '02 being one of those.
The premise of the thought for doing that is, that if you have to grab a big handful of front brake, the sidewalls of the tire are made to resist any deformation due to that stress.

e.g., it is the same stress as doing a very powerful take off when the tire is mounted on the rear.

so it is a wash, just go ride it like you stole it and enjoy the day.
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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by roadwanderer2 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:11 pm

The tire has a "directional arrow" for a reason. Don't think about leaving it alone and riding with it. If you have a cage, take the wheel off the bike and bring it back to the shop for them to make it right. It was THEIR mistake, make them correct it, OR, take it to a tire shop in your area, let them reverse the tire, and take the bill to the shop where you had it done and make them pay for the job you had to have done over. A good tire shop tech should know how to dismount and remount the tire correctly. You can do what I've done in the past, stand there and watch them remount the tire so you KNOW its done properly.

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:23 am

I feel the same way about having the tire on the correct way direction wise, especially on the front tire. If this dealer (the only place near to me that does this type of job) is a long way away and if I could just pull the bearings, retainers and seals and swap them side for side then I would be golden if I could reinstall the speedo fitting on the left side of the hub as it should be.
I also feel somewhat responsible as I didn't indicate on the rim direction.....I agree, the shop could have looked up the orientation and avoided this....but then I supplied the tire and a stripped rim to save a few dollars. Seems I set them up to fail :D

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Post by roadwanderer2 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:03 am

By rights, It's not YOUR responsibility to know which way the arrow goes, but as you mentioned you gave them a striped down wheel to mount the tire on, and in that case it was anybody's guess as to which way the wheel went back onto the bike. What I would have done, I would have marked the wheel and tire with a marker indicating which way the wheel spun. An arrow on the tire and wheel lined up in the same spot and direction would have alevelated that problem right from the get go.

Any tire shop with a "Coats" tire machine can do the job so long as they have something to keep the holders from scratching the rim. They also should be able to spin balance it using lead sticky weights to attach to the rim.

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:42 pm

Yes , partly my fault....and Wing Admin was correct, the wheel hub is different and swapping parts is not on. I have made arrangements to return (long trip) Monday to get them to do the swap.
In a perfect world the tech could have seen that the tire was directional and then after scratching his head as to which way the rim spins could have looked at a parts blowup and noted which side the mechanical speedo hookup was on and by that determine which way to mount the tire.

Probably expecting too much....:(

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Post by roadwanderer2 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:31 pm

tigercub wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:42 pm
Yes , partly my fault....and Wing Admin was correct, the wheel hub is different and swapping parts is not on. I have made arrangements to return (long trip) Monday to get them to do the swap.
In a perfect world the tech could have seen that the tire was directional and then after scratching his head as to which way the rim spins could have looked at a parts blowup and noted which side the mechanical speedo hookup was on and by that determine which way to mount the tire.

Probably expecting too much....:(
Well, that would have been one way to do it. I'm not sure if theres another way to do that with only a bare wheel to go by.

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by Rambozo » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:22 pm

tigercub wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:42 pm
Yes , partly my fault....and Wing Admin was correct, the wheel hub is different and swapping parts is not on. I have made arrangements to return (long trip) Monday to get them to do the swap.
In a perfect world the tech could have seen that the tire was directional and then after scratching his head as to which way the rim spins could have looked at a parts blowup and noted which side the mechanical speedo hookup was on and by that determine which way to mount the tire.

Probably expecting too much....:(
That would assume he could ID the bike from just the wheels. If it had a tire when you brought it in, that might have had a direction, but otherwise I would mark the wheel with a Sharpie arrow or something, so no one has to guess.

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by dingdong » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:27 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:46 pm
I would pretty much, at this point, would just ignore it and be happy.

a lot of 1500s and 1800s have "rear tires" mounted backwards on the front wheel.

My '02 being one of those.
The premise of the thought for doing that is, that if you have to grab a big handful of front brake, the sidewalls of the tire are made to resist any deformation due to that stress.

e.g., it is the same stress as doing a very powerful take off when the tire is mounted on the rear.

so it is a wash, just go ride it like you stole it and enjoy the day.
Not that it matters at this point but the tread patterns are opposite on front vs rear mc tires. If you use a rear tire on the front that is the reason for reversing the directional arrow.
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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:10 pm

Hmmmm, are you saying that the front directional tire can be mounted either way?
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Post by roadwanderer2 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:37 pm

MC tires are also marked "rear" and "front" along with their directional arrows. Its not advisable to put a rear MC tire on the front or vise-versa.

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:27 am

Well, the Honda shop in Orillia Ontario did the right thing and Rand R the tire to correct the Boo Boo. No charge, and no hassle. They corrected their mistake with a smile even though I was a contributor. I will be giving them all my business. ;)

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by eklimek » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Does any one have any solid evidence they can share about directionality in tires? Has there been a study in which reverse fitment makes a measurable difference in any way? Let’s leave out agricultural tread on off road equipment or argument by analogy.

I have not been able to find what may be proprietary and apparently not in the public domain. The common responses are: For example,
tire carcass is built with overlap affected by rotation.
Tread is directional to reduce aquaplaning.
Sidewall stress is directional.

Is this marketing or simply risk reduction by the manufacturer?

As in this thread it seems more the litmus test used by the consumer for competent installation. Similar to the contractual requirement of a big bowl of smarties with all the red ones removed in the dressing room for the band. Presumably if the contractor did not do that right, what else is wrong?

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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:22 pm

for myself,

my greatest interest is in the Sipes to get rid of water, so the tire won't hydroplane.
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Re: wrong way wheel tire

Post by tigercub » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:13 pm

I have absolutely no idea why the direction is important, but as for a "marketing" feature....I would think a tire that can be mounted either way would be a bonus :D

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