Just acquired an 82 GL1100 Standard


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Just acquired an 82 GL1100 Standard

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Hi everyone,

I'm new to the forum and just acquired an 82 GL1100 standard from my dad. For some reason I asked him to give it to me so it didn't sit around gathering rust...

Took three of us to push it onto the trailer because the brakes might be seized up...

Here are some pictures of the acquisition...










Me wondering what I got myself into xD


It doesn't start, it's covered in surface rust, and I'm not sure where to begin to bring this guy to life.

Any suggestions?



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there is a GREAT resuscitation tutorial here somewhere which i followed with my first 'wing ... hopefully someone will put up a link to it.
note that it is an interference engine and the timing belts are a critical maintenance item.

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to get you started ... drain old gas out, put bike in 5th gear and spin the rear wheel to make sure the engine isn't seized or hydrolocked.

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First step is to change the timing belts. They are old and set from sitting in the same position for so long. They will break eventually if you run the engine. You cannot inspect them to decide if they are any good. Least amount of damage is 2 bent exhaust valves.
Go to www.randakksblog.com and read his how to regarding bringing an old wing back to life. Good luck.

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Thanks for the tips guys.
winguyjo wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:44 pm
there is a GREAT resuscitation tutorial here somewhere which i followed with my first 'wing
I'll try to find it and post it here if I do. I found this post:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=46796
which I think will be very helpful :)
winguyjo wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:50 pm
drain old gas out, put bike in 5th gear and spin the rear wheel to make sure the engine isn't seized or hydrolocked
I'll do this sometime this week. If it is, is the bike salvageable?
dingdong wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:03 pm
First step is to change the timing belts.
Cool thanks! I'll do that after I spin the wheel :)

I think I'll end up buying everything from this page: https://oldbikebarn.com/collections/gl1100

Can I use this post as a "diary" so to speak?

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Is that bone stock? I also recently acquired an 82 GL1100 that's had some cosmetic modifications, and I was curious how far off from stock it was. Based on your picture, it is also a standard as there are many similarities. The rear luggage rack and back rest are gone, as is the windscreen. When I figure out how to post some pictures of it I will...

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As far as I know, it's completely stock with 31K miles on it. I will post more pictures at some point :)

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winguyjo wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:44 pm
there is a GREAT resuscitation tutorial here somewhere which i followed with my first 'wing ... hopefully someone will put up a link to it.
I think this might be it:
https://www.randakksblog.com/starting-a ... ong-lay-up

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that's the one. follow it closely, ask questions here when necessary, and you should have a good running engine when done.

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winguyjo wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:06 am
that's the one. follow it closely, ask questions here when necessary, and you should have a good running engine when done.
Awesome, thanks!

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Here are some photos showing the general condition of the bike. Apparently the battery had some charge to it, as some lights turned on when I turned the ignition. I will run through all the lights after I get the battery fully charged. Neutral light didn't seem to turn on or I couldn't get it into neutral.

The gas tank cover key operates very smoothly with no resistance - doesn't seem to be gummed up. The ignition key is also smooth and not gummed up. I was able to pull it up on the center stand and tried to rotate the wheel in 5th gear, unsuccessfully. There is some play, and was able to rotate it maybe 5 degrees until the wheel stopped. Maybe I just need to put more muscle into it?

I pulled the spark plug caps off and hit the start button - absolutely no response at all. Also, someone installed DR8ES spark plugs that look fresh or somewhat new. Not sure if it was my dad or the previous owner. I don't have a 18 mm spark plug socket or whatever it needs so I'll pick up one from Autozone so I can pull these spark plugs. I do want to see if I can get the starter to hit before I check for compression though.

May pull the battery and have Autozone charge it up for me... I have a battery tender coming in from Amazon and should be here soon...

Need to create a punchlist of things to inspect/check and follow the old bike checklist from previous post.





















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Here is a link to my costs and what I replaced on an 83 wing. I put the price and the Honda part number for others to find a part they may need.

https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/ ... 23&t=13115

Scroll down to see the entire story of this bike.

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there's a chance that the engine could be hydrolocked. remove spark plugs, put a rag over the spark plug holes (whatever fluid may be in there will come out with a surprising amount of force) then try to spin the engine via the rear wheel. even if it doesn't spin after that, you are not beaten, rings that are stuck to cylinder walls can be freed up and the engine can make a glorious recovery. :D

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Wilcoy02 wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:55 pm
Here is a link to my costs and what I replaced on an 83 wing. I put the price and the Honda part number for others to find a part they may need.
Thanks for posting! Will use it as a reference! I will most likely start tracking my expenses on this bike as well.
winguyjo wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:51 pm
there's a chance that the engine could be hydrolocked. remove spark plugs, put a rag over the spark plug holes ...
Do I need to remove the spark plugs before doing this? I'm a newb :)

Also, a ton of the screws are super rusted, if anyone has spares from doing a restore and want to ship/sell me some so I don't have to buy packs of 50 or 100, please reach out to me. If the engine is decent and this bike is salvageable, then I'll most likely replace every fastener on the bike.

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yes, to remove whatever fluid may have gathered in the combustion chamber(s) you have to first remove the spark plugs.

regarding screws ... do yourself a favor and get a couple of JIS screwdrivers. the reason "phillips" screws get all chewed up on these japanese bikes is because they are not really phillips screws. if you google it you will see what i mean ... smilar, but different.

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My friend suggested getting JIS screwdrivers as well. I need to order a couple! They range in price and sometimes it's hard to find some that aren't super expensive. Thanks for the suggestion :)

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For some further education might I suggest.....
https://classicgoldwings.com/forum/view ... f=11&t=259

Before trying to get the start to turn the engine over, as suggested get the plugs out and a small amount of oil to each hole and turn the motor by hand using a wrench or by spinning the rear wheel with it in gear. Since it didn't turn you may have it in gear and will need to try to get it into a lower gear. There is one item on the bike that can take a decent bike into a severely broken bike, Timing Belts, if not known when they were last changed, Change Them! One reason it might not turn over is a broken belt and valves have met piston(s).

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julimike54 wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:18 am
get the plugs out and a small amount of oil to each hole and turn the motor by hand using a wrench or by spinning the rear wheel with it in gear.
I'm unable to spin the back wheel in 5th or 1st. What did you mean by turn the motor by hand using a wrench? Do I need to remove the spark plugs and put some oil in there in order to spin the back wheel?

I removed a spark plug for inspection, here's a photo:


Here is some history about the bike:
PO thinks there may be a faulty gasket in the carb and fuel may leak or run into the crankcase. I need to familiarize myself with the assembly as I have no clue :)
Was running in 2013, inspected to 2014, and sat outside, under an overhang since 2014.

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just to be clear ... when you were trying to spin the engine via the rear wheel, were the spark plugs removed ?

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No, they were not. Should I remove all four sparkplugs? What does adding oil to the combustion chamber do?

edit: I think I found it in another post - you remove the spark plugs so you aren't fighting against compression.

I removed the spark plugs and put it in 5th gear. I was able to rotate the rear wheel but it's weird, it's almost like it fights past something resisting it then settles into the next position so to speak. I guess the next step is to try and get it started and doing a compression test...

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as suggested, you may have a piston contacting valves. remove the timing belt cover to ensure that you dont have a broken belt. don't be starting the engine just yet.

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Tonight I went and bought a drain pan for the coolant (didn't want to use my oil drain pan). I'll leave it to drain overnight and will start taking the radiator off to inspect the timing belt...

Which means I should probably just go ahead and change the timing belt while I have it dismantled, or should I put it back together and try starting it first? Provided the timing belt is in good condition.

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Do NOT try to start with unknown belt age. Plus you already know it has sat at one point and the belts could fly apart. If belt breaks just kiss the engine good by

You can not see that the belts are good. They have sat a couple of years at the same spot. Belts are good cheap insurance. I use belt gates 5119 .


FYI
As for radiator hoses -- I use NAPA 7733 get 1 and cut it into 2 pieces. Use the old hoses to know where to cut. The 2 pieces is all you need for replacement.

Put some oil in the spark plug was to get the piston oil in case it rusted to the wall.

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The object of waking a sleeping bike is to do no more damage than can be avoided. The resistance you feel with the plugs out might just be the valve train springs, BUT as has been suggested REPLACE the timing belts, because the engine isn't seized and you can insure that the belt(s) isn't broken and a valve is giving you the resistance.

With the leaking gas as a possible problem, that is going to have to be addressed. These engines will 'hydrolock' if gas is leaking into the combustion chamber as a liquid, instead of a mist. I've not had the worse happen, but others have bent rods with a hydrolock. When mine did it I had a weak battery and it wouldn't turn over, but was 'hydrolocked. Two problems are present with gas leaking into the combustion chamber. Carbs need to be overhauled and the oil needs to be drained, caution you may have a larger than normal amount come out when draining the oil.

I highly recommend acquiring a Honda Service Manual, it's the best money spent on these old machines.
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The question came up earlier as to whether your bike was original or not. It has at some time been repainted. That isn't an original color. Also go to this link to download a free service manual. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/10691 ... l1100.html
Good luck.



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