'82 Oddities and Quirks


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'82 Oddities and Quirks

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Hello! I'm new to the GL community, just bought my first a week ago. She's an '82, looks like she's been stripped down some, and has aftermarket exhaust. She sounds very nice. I've read on a lot of the forums over the last couple of days, and didn't find anything like the quirks my girl has.

First, when engaging in 1st gear if I don't rev the engine a bit, there's a knock at low revs. It smooths out at higher revs, just low. The guy I bought her from said she had that same issue the whole time he had her, and when he talked to friends, said it might have had something to do with the drive shaft engaging? Doesn't seem right to me, but I've never had a shaft driven bike.

Second, when going up a steep hill in 3rd gear at 40ish MPH, the engine sounds flat and doesn't accelerate, regardless of how far I twist the throttle. As I live at the top of said hill, I'm on it every time I ride, and I'm not sure if that's just normal for a 38 year old bike, or if that's something I should be concerned about.

Third, my choke knob is totally stuck. Won't pull out, won't twist, nothing. Not a huge deal, but I do have to manually rev the engine to keep it from dying when it's cold. Tried WD40 to get it loose, but no luck. Any ideas there?

Fourth, the handlebars aren't level. The left side is lower than the right, the bend of the bars is about 5 degrees different. Is that normal? Maybe it was dumped and the bars never got fixed or replaced?

Beyond that, she runs amazing. I've been very pleased in the few hundred miles I've put on her since purchase. I am far happier with her than I ever was with my previous bike ('08 GSX-F 650).
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Cool, I just picked up one as well. I hope you keep posting and show tons of pics. I'll follow your thread :)
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42kDraven wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:03 am First, when engaging in 1st gear if I don't rev the engine a bit, there's a knock at low revs. It smooths out at higher revs, just low. The guy I bought her from said she had that same issue the whole time he had her, and when he talked to friends, said it might have had something to do with the drive shaft engaging? Doesn't seem right to me, but I've never had a shaft driven bike.
This is likely the primary chain rattling. It's common at low revs/high load, and can usually be improved (if not eliminated altogether) by balancing the carburetors.
42kDraven wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:03 am Second, when going up a steep hill in 3rd gear at 40ish MPH, the engine sounds flat and doesn't accelerate, regardless of how far I twist the throttle. As I live at the top of said hill, I'm on it every time I ride, and I'm not sure if that's just normal for a 38 year old bike, or if that's something I should be concerned about.
It's hard to say without knowing how steep the hill is, or how much weight you're carrying, but remember that you're riding an 800 lb bike that brand new from the factory made only 81 hp, and probably 60 hp of that actually made it to the rear wheel. What it's making today is likely considerably less.
42kDraven wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:03 am Third, my choke knob is totally stuck. Won't pull out, won't twist, nothing. Not a huge deal, but I do have to manually rev the engine to keep it from dying when it's cold. Tried WD40 to get it loose, but no luck. Any ideas there?
This can usually be caused by a rusted/seized choke cable - you can still get replacements, aftermarket.
42kDraven wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:03 am Fourth, the handlebars aren't level. The left side is lower than the right, the bend of the bars is about 5 degrees different. Is that normal? Maybe it was dumped and the bars never got fixed or replaced?
The handlebars are all one piece, so if it's uneven, it likely was due to a tipover of some type. You can try just bending them back to where they should be.
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Thanks for all the info, WingAdmin!

I'll look into balancing the carbs in the DIY section. Assuming there's info there?

I thought the uphill issue was a power/weight thing, as it is an older bike and I'm a bigger dude (about 215)

I'll look into replacement choke cables.

On the handlebars, is it possible to bend them without some sort of specialty tool? I have electrical conduit benders, but nothing else, unless you have suggestions.

Thanks again!
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Welcome from Ohio.
The handle bars -I would bend them back any way I could.

The next time you do an oil change take about 8 oz out of the oil. Put 8 oz of sea foam in the oil. Ride the bike about 100 miles and drain the oil while still warm and the filter off. This may loosen up any sludge in the engine and may help on the changing gears. I found on my bike that the Honda oil the only one I can use as the other brands make my clutch harder.

Put some sea foam in your gas tank. This may help the carbs.
I on every other tank of gas I put 4-5 ozs of atf in the tank.

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I agree, you can likely just use the armstrong method to re-bend the handlebars.
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What rpm is the engine at when you're going up that hill?
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I'd try whatever gear gets you to 4k going up that hill- that motor starts to really kick in power wise about there, but as the feller said, it didn't have a huge amount of power brand new- I'm used to a lighter bike with about 130 hp, so I always have to hold back my expectations- absolutely love my 83 though.

I'll be looking forward to hearing what a carb balance does for your bike, my buddy has the gauges and I can't seem to get him to come over and do it...mine does the exact thing, and I've always been told that that's what it is.
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I try to keep the rpms over 3000 rpms to avoid lugging the engine, downshift may be needed up a steep hill.
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Hi
Sounds like you need to get the carbs stripped and thoroughly cleaned . A knock at low revs is usually due to unbalanced carbs - one carb pulling one cylinder more or less than the other three. Likewise low power on hills could be blocked carb jets or clogged carb accelerator valve (s).
If the handlebars are lower one side its been dropped - up to you if you try to bend them back I would replace them they are too safety critical to risk a failure
Stuck choke = new cable . I am surprised it starts from cold without a choke ? Another indication that the carbs are not right .
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My 1980 naked wing had all the same problems, still has some. Balancing the carbs helps the low rpm rattle, as does increasing the idle to 1000 rpm. I've had mine apart, and I didn't see a primary chain, I believe it is gear driven from the clutch to the drive shaft.
My choke is hard to work, but its not the cable. If yours is naked you can reach down to the right carb and help the cable put the choke on. I don't bother anymore, but I live in Florida where it warms up pretty fast. When I got mine on the road I noticed that the handlebars seemed bent, but it turned out the triple-tree was just a little twisted. Try loosening the for tube clamp bolts and holding the front wheel between your knees twist the handlebars and see if that helps. I have a 2013 GL1800, and the naked GL1100 is a perfect companion. I call it the "Oldwing"
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Re: "sluggish going uphill". Looking at your pics, my experience with my '82 GL1100 Interstate in '91 immediately springs to mind. At the time I tried a set of stainless aftermarket silencers. Big mistake, the bike lacked power, torque and was terrible to ride! I wasn't about to start stripping carbs and re-jetting, so took them back and bought a full Honda GL1100 exhaust system from the agents. I'm almost certain your silencers are your problem. With the original exhaust system mine was a dream to ride, even two up, plenty of power and torque. Get your carburettors checked out/rebuilt and synchronized. Don't go for the single carb conversion, keep the bike standard.
Re "stuck choke knob": check your cable/linkage.
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If the choke cable is seized then it’s possible the choke could be partially stuck on which would make the bike rich which in turn would make it struggle on the hills , the fact it starts without choke would suggest this, my 1100 would not start after standing overnight without choke
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Wilcoy02 wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:28 pm Put some sea foam in your gas tank. This may help the carbs.
I on every other tank of gas I put 4-5 ozs of atf in the tank.

Looks like a good bike.
I've seen sea foam mentioned all over the place in these forums. I'd never even heard of it before. I'll definitely pick up a can of it soon.

Thanks! Did a little more cosmetic work to it over the weekend. I'll add the pictures at the end of this post.
Lucky07 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:25 pm What rpm is the engine at when you're going up that hill?
Unknown. I need to replace the tach cable. I ordered one a couple days ago.
dnehasert wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:00 am I try to keep the rpms over 3000 rpms to avoid lugging the engine, downshift may be needed up a steep hill.
I've read that these engines like higher revs, so I've changed my riding style accordingly. It behaves much differently now, and feels a lot smoother.
bencharvet wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 7:28 am When I got mine on the road I noticed that the handlebars seemed bent, but it turned out the triple-tree was just a little twisted. Try loosening the for tube clamp bolts and holding the front wheel between your knees twist the handlebars and see if that helps.
I'll give that a shot today. I've been considering getting a different set of handlebars as well, in case they can't be righted.
Ralf_CT wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 8:39 am Re: "sluggish going uphill". Looking at your pics, my experience with my '82 GL1100 Interstate in '91 immediately springs to mind. At the time I tried a set of stainless aftermarket silencers. Big mistake, the bike lacked power, torque and was terrible to ride! I wasn't about to start stripping carbs and re-jetting, so took them back and bought a full Honda GL1100 exhaust system from the agents. I'm almost certain your silencers are your problem. With the original exhaust system mine was a dream to ride, even two up, plenty of power and torque.
I wouldn't have thought about the exhaust system being a cause for the power issues. I hope not to replace them, but I'll consider doing so if I can't get the bike riding perfectly with the less extreme solutions.
miroku800 wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 9:12 am If the choke cable is seized then it’s possible the choke could be partially stuck on which would make the bike rich which in turn would make it struggle on the hills , the fact it starts without choke would suggest this, my 1100 would not start after standing overnight without choke
Would that be a thing that I can check at the carb? I'll look at it.
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"I wouldn't have thought about the exhaust system being a cause for the power issues. I hope not to replace them, but I'll consider doing so if I can't get the bike riding perfectly with the less extreme solutions."

Back pressures are crucial. Silencer design is a specialized area, looks alone aren't good enough. Do you have a balance pipe between your left and right side?
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Ralf_CT wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 9:32 am Back pressures are crucial. Silencer design is a specialized area, looks alone aren't good enough. Do you have a balance pipe between your left and right side?
Yes, there is a balance pipe between both sides.
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I'm 100% certain your power problem is due to the silencers, especially if your jets haven't been changed. Given your choke problems and the age of the bike I would remove the carbs, rebuild and synchronize them (removing the carbs will also help with the next point). If you aren't going to replace the silencers with original, try to get in touch with the silencer manufacturer/supplier and check if your bike requires different jets.
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My son and I revived a 1980 GL1100 that ran kinda poorly when we got it

here is the first start after the carb rebuild (done using tutorials found on this site)
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It still had some real problems --
A low end knock - and lack of power were two of them (sound familiar?)

Once we got the CARB SYNCH sorted out -- and that took some real doing to get all 4 balanced properly -
Those problems were fixed -- more power - easy start - no knock - better MPG -
Lots of improvement --

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A real GL1100- proved by the CLACK when he shifts into first! :lol:
Very nice and smooth, looking forward to getting my carbs straightened out!
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Those engine covers aren't original, they're actually an aftermarket part, and were quite rare and highly sought after for a while. Don't know if they are still or not.

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Don't go jumping off in the deep end just yet regarding your mufflers. Four cylinder wings are very forgiving regarding exhaust changes. Looks to me like yours are OEM but with the tips hacked off. You need to consider rebuilding the carbs. I suspect that is where your problem lies. Gl1100s are capable of pulling up any hill in 3rd gear at 40mph without a problem. Synchronizing the carbs effects the idle only and will probably cure the rattle at low rpms. Your low power problem is something else.
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dingdong wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 9:31 am Four cylinder wings are very forgiving regarding exhaust changes.
Possibly true, but based on my experience my GL1100 Interstate rode worse with the aftermarket SS mufflers than it did with the holed OEM system. My test ride was barely 5kms, it was all I needed to know I don't want them on my bike. Luckily I could still get a brand new OEM system at that stage.
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This is a great thread. Thank you.

I have a 1981 in my garage which has not been ridden since 1996. The carbs were removed and all of the cylinders stuffed with rags. I have had it for several years much to my wife's dismay. However, with the quarantine and my subsequent retirement it is finally time. My 1972 CB750 has just been completed and I bought a carb kit from Randaxx.

Thank you for the incentive. I look forward to show her off when she gets back on the road. You folks now a lot of stuff about these bikes.

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I was out on my 83 yesterday, and found that 40 mph in third you're pulling 3200 rpm. That's not very far up into the power band, it really comes on around 4, But it would have to be a steep hill indeed to give you trouble if the carbs were in good shape. Mine need work, so it wasn't all I wish it was, but definitely toodled up some pretty steep grades at that pace.
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I was going to mention that part of the problem is that, at least with OEM mufflers, that wing sounds really great at about 2500, so there's a great temptation to rev low. It's kind of noisy without earplugs between 4 and 4 and 1/2, but you really get a blast of power in that range, sometimes a little tingling through the bars and pegs as well :-)


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